July 2016 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger) - Page 19

motorhead · 08-03-2016, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

That's because the mustang owners are too far behind it to know what it is. It's hard to identify a car by the tail lights at such a far distance.

The Mustang got smoked by the BMW, and which car are saying is better? All your posts show you are a typical Ford fan boy just trying to get a rise out of people that happen to own the car that destroyed your dream horse. I'll give you some inside info for you to bring back to your butt hurt Mustang6g group. Let them know there is a new club forming 6 blocks from every car and coffee meet. It's called Tows and Stangs. It's a huge fleet of wreckers that hangout and and wait for the numerous calls to pull the Mustangs out of the ditches.

Out performing another car with a stopwatch doesn't make it a better overall car. I guarantee you that I have two 60's era Mopars that will smoke your Gen6 ,but neither of them are near as good as your gen6 Camaro or my ZL1. That's why I own a Z1l instead of just them.
Performace alone must not mean much to many folks because the Camaro is getting smoked in the sales department and that isn't just because of the gen6 car. It has been that way since November of 2014.

nvrsatisfied · 08-03-2016, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Out performing another car with a stopwatch doesn't make it a better overall car. I guarantee you that I have two 60's era Mopars that will smoke your Gen6 ,but neither of them are near as good as your gen6 Camaro or my ZL1. That's why I own a Z1l instead of just them.
Performace alone must not mean much to many folks because the Camaro is getting smoked in the sales department and that isn't just because of the gen6 car. It has been that way since November of 2014.

The post was in comparison to how the Mustang and the Camaro compared to the BMW, the Camaro outperforms the Mustang by a large margin. The performance comment was directed to the poster I was replying to, he states in his other threads about 0 to 60 times and stats.

motorhead · 08-03-2016, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

The post was in comparison to how the Mustang and the Camaro compared to the BMW, the Camaro outperforms the Mustang by a large margin. The performance comment was directed to the poster I was replying to, he states in his other threads about 0 to 60 times and stats.

Well, I did like your Tow and stang comment. Nice touch. Why do they crash them so much at car shows anyhow? Especially since they are so slow.

Davy_Baby9 · 08-03-2016, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard0nee

I don't want to be that guy and everyone has their own personal taste.. But... Everything GM changed to the 6th Gen you hate! LOL

Almost EVERYBODY agrees that the interior aside from the LT1 was the 2nd biggest upgrade. Heck, some even say it's more of an upgrade over the performance.

The wheels are, looks are subjective as well but it's NIGHT and DAY!!

Next to the big bad Z28

Should have picked better pics, the 5th gen 1LE looks better there, and the z28 looks meaner. The 6th gen interior does look better.

nvrsatisfied · 08-03-2016, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Well, I did like your Tow and stang comment. Nice touch. Why do they crash them so much at car shows anyhow. Especially since they are so slow.

It's because the hoods are so long they have trouble turning

Davy_Baby9 · 08-03-2016, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Typical response from a troll that states he owns a 16 GT, but loves the Camaro, just can't afford it. If you love your mustang and it's soooo wonderful, why are you here? I'll tell you...you are trying to convince yourself that you bought the better car, but you know it's not true. You and so many others like you come on the forum to bash the Gen6 because you can't afford one. You bought a GT and didn't buy the Performance Package. If you cared so much about performance cars and stats, why not get the performance package option? Obviously, you couldn't afford it. And if you couldn't afford a PP GT, you can't afford the 1SS Camaro. So here you are with 90% of your posts in monthly sales threads trying to justify your purchase. Truly sad.

What's sad is this post. Why assume someone can't afford a car you're biased toward to justify your purchase because that must be the only reason someone would get a Mustang? It's ok..

motorhead · 08-03-2016, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9

Should have picked better pics, the 5th gen 1LE looks better there, and the z28 looks meaner. The 6th gen interior does look better.

The Z/28 in that pic reminds me of when they started added ground affects packages to everything back in the 90's compared to the Gen6 car. The gen5 car is getting very dated looking. The 14 and 15 1LEs are the best looking Gen5 cars and I own a ZL1. Those pics prove to me just how much better looking the new car is than the old. When the base V8 model smokes the looks of the top dog of the previous model that's a big deal. It's just a shame that they are havent trouble selling them.

nvrsatisfied · 08-03-2016, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9

What's sad is this post. Why assume someone can't afford a car you're biased toward to justify your purchase because that must be the only reason someone would get a Mustang? It's ok..

It's because HE said in his earlier posts that he could not afford the car. Do a little research before commenting.

I'm sure that Volkswagen lawsuit has you upset, we understand. If you like discussing things you don't have, find a forum on brains.

Richard0nee · 08-03-2016, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9

Should have picked better pics, the 5th gen 1LE looks better there, and the z28 looks meaner. The 6th gen interior does look better.

*facepalm*

Davy_Baby9 · 08-03-2016, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

It's because HE said in his earlier posts that he could not afford the car. Do a little research before commenting.

I'm sure that Volkswagen lawsuit has you upset, we understand. If you like discussing things you don't have, find a forum on brains.

I apologize as I didn't have time to go back enough pages, and just assumed you're insecure rant was justified.

Well judging by the sales of the 6th gen, if you only allowed owners on this site all 50 of you could post high fives to each other all the time. Potential owners and curious folk, buzz off!

Oh and I really don't care about VW's lawsuit but whatever you have to post to make yourself feel better go ahead lol.

nvrsatisfied · 08-03-2016, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy_Baby9

I apologize as I didn't have time to go back enough pages, and just assumed you're insecure rant was justified.

Well judging by the sales of the 6th gen, if you only allowed owners on this site all 50 of you could post high fives to each other all the time. Potential owners and curious folk, buzz off!

Oh and I really don't care about VW's lawsuit but whatever you have to post to make yourself feel better go ahead lol.

I don't have to post anything to feel better, I actually own the car you spend your time reading about

Number 3 · 08-03-2016, 07:25 AM

So most people seem to be agreeing GM is taking the Camaro up in price for a "total profit" strategy and is willing to sell fewer cars in this scenario.

My question is wouldn't you still want to sell more than you projected? Wouldn't a 10 day supply of cars be better than 40 or 50? Wouldn't you then be making even MOHR profit? Of course the answer is yes.

Now let me ask everyone that bought your 16 or 17 and absolutely love it. Would you love it less if the belt line were 1/2 lower and the roof an inch higher? Would you love it less if the trunk was bigger making the car a little longer and yes, a bit heavier too? My point all along is GM could have made a car that you guys wouldn't love one bit less than you do, but have satisfied the people that wanted a great sport coupe not just a BA Camaro. Could have been both with the same invested capital.

Problem is that car would have admittedly been 50 pounds heavier and this website alone would be full of people screaming that GM had FAILED because weighed slightly more than the Mustang instead of slightly less. And this would be regardless of the fact that those changes would have had minimal impact on the performance advantage the car has.

That isn't to say that the price point isn't part of why it isn't selling as well as Gen5 or Mustang and over the last couple of months Challenger. But I'm pretty sure there would have been at least 1 more Camaro sold if it had addressed those concerns.

Raven87 · 08-03-2016, 08:24 AM

People who like to compare the 6th Gen to the BMW or similar are smoking crack if they think by having a better performance number or a magazine endorsement makes the (insert car of choice here) a 'better' car.

If 'better' only means quicker, better handling, and superior performance data, the 6G Camaro should be outselling the Challenger and Mustang by a long shot. It is not.

If 'better' means having higher quality parts - beefier transmission, bad ass small block with enormous power upgrade potential, an interior that is comparable to GM's halo car, on a lighter, more nimble chassis, etc - the 6G Camaro would be outselling the Challenger and Mustang without comparison. It is not.

If 'better' means more desire due to its looks and subjective views then - you guessed it - the 6G Camaro would be outselling the Challenger and Mustang six ways to Sunday. It is not.

So riddle me this - if the new Camaro is 'better' in every respect to its competitors BUT the competitors - with one on a two year old redesign and the other so long in the tooth it is drawing Social Security - are BOTH outselling the Camaro, why is that? Clearly the 6G Camaro IS better performance wise. Certainly, the 6G Camaro is better because of the sum of its high quality parts. And to most - at least on this forum - the looks of the 6G are very pleasing and attractive.

So if it is a better car in all respects - and it is - why isn't it selling?

Simply put, it is because those three standards of being 'better' that we see tossed all around here - better performance, better parts and makeup, and subjective things like better looks - do NOT matter as much to the buyer as something else. So, as we've seen, more buyers go and buy a Mustang or a Challenger after driving off the Chevy lot - if they were even there to start with.

What is that 'something else'? You already know the answer. Because better performance data, better and more expensive parts, and more attractive looks will almost always lose to budget concerns for the market segment these cars are aimed at. THAT IS WHY MORE V6 CARS ARE SOLD THAN V8s. Cost, pure and simple. Cost of purchase, cost to own and maintain, and cost to insure.

Cost.

If the average buyer - not performance nuts like us on this forum - is happy with the seat of the pants feel of a Scat Pack or 5.0 when he floors it from the stop light, or if he or she likes the feel of taking an decreasing radius exit ramp at a little higher speed to feel .75G in that Challenger or Mustang, that same buyer is not going to pay more for something that does nothing more for him or her. In THEIR world, the Scat Pack or 5.0 will do all they need and want. For less money. At the end of the day, that leaves more money for life's necessities in their checkbook.

And the subjective parts such as looks, or nicer seats? Those are only the icing on the cake for them that they can do without. They still get cake.

And if GM is thinking that by building a better, more expensive Camaro they can get the BMW and Audi buyers to abandon camp and join ranks with the Bowtie Crowd, that isn't working either. Sure, the SS will smoke the M4 or S5. But the SS is and forever always will be a Camaro.

The M4? Always a BMW and to those for whom this matters, they - as a rule - will always buy the less performing, more expensive to maintain, and not as well built BMW over the Camaro. The S5 group? They want the four rings on their grille more so than a quicker 0-60 time. They want to be seen in their black German machine even if they are getting passed by the SS. At least they were 'in an Audi'. And so it goes.

It is what it is.

ChefBorOzzy · 08-03-2016, 08:25 AM

Why don't you give us a drawing of how giving additional trunk space would not impact the car at all pretty much as you claim. The looks, the size, the overhang.. How much overhang would they need to add? How much additional trunk space is wanted?

Would the car look good with all those changes? I have no idea.. I'd need to see it. I wouldn't be opposed to more glass though.

08-03-2016, 07:25 AM	#264
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,301 View My Garage	So most people seem to be agreeing GM is taking the Camaro up in price for a "total profit" strategy and is willing to sell fewer cars in this scenario. My question is wouldn't you still want to sell more than you projected? Wouldn't a 10 day supply of cars be better than 40 or 50? Wouldn't you then be making even MOHR profit? Of course the answer is yes. Now let me ask everyone that bought your 16 or 17 and absolutely love it. Would you love it less if the belt line were 1/2 lower and the roof an inch higher? Would you love it less if the trunk was bigger making the car a little longer and yes, a bit heavier too? My point all along is GM could have made a car that you guys wouldn't love one bit less than you do, but have satisfied the people that wanted a great sport coupe not just a BA Camaro. Could have been both with the same invested capital. Problem is that car would have admittedly been 50 pounds heavier and this website alone would be full of people screaming that GM had FAILED because weighed slightly more than the Mustang instead of slightly less. And this would be regardless of the fact that those changes would have had minimal impact on the performance advantage the car has. That isn't to say that the price point isn't part of why it isn't selling as well as Gen5 or Mustang and over the last couple of months Challenger. But I'm pretty sure there would have been at least 1 more Camaro sold if it had addressed those concerns. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

08-03-2016, 08:24 AM	#265
Raven87 C'mon- really? Drives: Looking for a ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nortwestern Ohio Posts: 1,966 View My Garage	'Better'? People who like to compare the 6th Gen to the BMW or similar are smoking crack if they think by having a better performance number or a magazine endorsement makes the (insert car of choice here) a 'better' car. If 'better' only means quicker, better handling, and superior performance data, the 6G Camaro should be outselling the Challenger and Mustang by a long shot. It is not. If 'better' means having higher quality parts - beefier transmission, bad ass small block with enormous power upgrade potential, an interior that is comparable to GM's halo car, on a lighter, more nimble chassis, etc - the 6G Camaro would be outselling the Challenger and Mustang without comparison. It is not. If 'better' means more desire due to its looks and subjective views then - you guessed it - the 6G Camaro would be outselling the Challenger and Mustang six ways to Sunday. It is not. So riddle me this - if the new Camaro is 'better' in every respect to its competitors BUT the competitors - with one on a two year old redesign and the other so long in the tooth it is drawing Social Security - are BOTH outselling the Camaro, why is that? Clearly the 6G Camaro IS better performance wise. Certainly, the 6G Camaro is better because of the sum of its high quality parts. And to most - at least on this forum - the looks of the 6G are very pleasing and attractive. So if it is a better car in all respects - and it is - why isn't it selling? Simply put, it is because those three standards of being 'better' that we see tossed all around here - better performance, better parts and makeup, and subjective things like better looks - do NOT matter as much to the buyer as something else. So, as we've seen, more buyers go and buy a Mustang or a Challenger after driving off the Chevy lot - if they were even there to start with. What is that 'something else'? You already know the answer. Because better performance data, better and more expensive parts, and more attractive looks will almost always lose to budget concerns for the market segment these cars are aimed at. THAT IS WHY MORE V6 CARS ARE SOLD THAN V8s. Cost, pure and simple. Cost of purchase, cost to own and maintain, and cost to insure. Cost. If the average buyer - not performance nuts like us on this forum - is happy with the seat of the pants feel of a Scat Pack or 5.0 when he floors it from the stop light, or if he or she likes the feel of taking an decreasing radius exit ramp at a little higher speed to feel .75G in that Challenger or Mustang, that same buyer is not going to pay more for something that does nothing more for him or her. In THEIR world, the Scat Pack or 5.0 will do all they need and want. For less money. At the end of the day, that leaves more money for life's necessities in their checkbook. And the subjective parts such as looks, or nicer seats? Those are only the icing on the cake for them that they can do without. They still get cake. And if GM is thinking that by building a better, more expensive Camaro they can get the BMW and Audi buyers to abandon camp and join ranks with the Bowtie Crowd, that isn't working either. Sure, the SS will smoke the M4 or S5. But the SS is and forever always will be a Camaro. The M4? Always a BMW and to those for whom this matters, they - as a rule - will always buy the less performing, more expensive to maintain, and not as well built BMW over the Camaro. The S5 group? They want the four rings on their grille more so than a quicker 0-60 time. They want to be seen in their black German machine even if they are getting passed by the SS. At least they were 'in an Audi'. And so it goes. It is what it is. __________________ Steve 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE Black #3805 - SOLD

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ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	Why don't you give us a drawing of how giving additional trunk space would not impact the car at all pretty much as you claim. The looks, the size, the overhang.. How much overhang would they need to add? How much additional trunk space is wanted? Would the car look good with all those changes? I have no idea.. I'd need to see it. I wouldn't be opposed to more glass though.

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