[Goertz]

My goal wasnt to be the end all perfect kit

It was to be
Competive performance and cost all while keeping installation times to a minimal. Also to keep 100% all creature comforts without having to do extensive work trying to fit everything. So far I've hit the nail 100% on the head. Just have a little more rnd and go prove the car via dyno and time slips.

[Goertz]

We're expecting a total installation time, fully oiled and ready to run in 5 hours or less. Also we are designing this to be installed with just jack and jackstands.

You drop 100% your factory exhaust. Pull off your driver front tire. Use a box cutter to trim some wheel well and you are ready for 100% bolt in installation.

Mount the turbo on the brace and set on jack. Roll under car and it goes on factory mounting points.

All charge pipes have factory mounting points as well as hangers and so does all exhaust components.

Will need to drill and grommet one hole into the trunk to run power and ground to the oil pump. After that a painless 3 circuit wiring panel and relay will be supplied along with proper micro2 fuse tap. Wiring will be as simple as pull fuse, plug in tap, hook power and ground on battery, connect signal wire to fuse tap. A 5 minute job.

Custom oil system will have a filler neck located behind the license plate. Remove license plate, cut a 4inch hole behind plate and open oil cap and fill it up.

With everything said and done it'll be a packaged system capable of 900-1000 whp right out of the box without having to upgrade a thing. Also will easily be upgradable for 1200-1400 with either a billet s475 or s480 turbo. And they're are still ball bearing options available that aren't being used yet

So yes for a all out track only car or drag car it might not be 100% prefect, but if i can hit 90% with a easy installation to keep all the nice parts of the car without having to do hard work to fit it then i think i did my job on point. Not everyone wants a track only car. Some just want something fun without having to spend 10k for it and they can install themselves. This is the area that this is designed and focused for

[ender2664]

Originally Posted by Goertz

We're expecting a total installation time, fully oiled and ready to run in 5 hours or less. Also we are designing this to be installed with just jack and jackstands.

You drop 100% your factory exhaust. Pull off your driver front tire. Use a box cutter to trim some wheel well and you are ready for 100% bolt in installation.

Mount the turbo on the brace and set on jack. Roll under car and it goes on factory mounting points.

All charge pipes have factory mounting points as well as hangers and so does all exhaust components.

Will need to drill and grommet one hole into the trunk to run power and ground to the oil pump. After that a painless 3 circuit wiring panel and relay will be supplied along with proper micro2 fuse tap. Wiring will be as simple as pull fuse, plug in tap, hook power and ground on battery, connect signal wire to fuse tap. A 5 minute job.

Custom oil system will have a filler neck located behind the license plate. Remove license plate, cut a 4inch hole behind plate and open oil cap and fill it up.

With everything said and done it'll be a packaged system capable of 900-1000 whp right out of the box without having to upgrade a thing. Also will easily be upgradable for 1200-1400 with either a billet s475 or s480 turbo. And they're are still ball bearing options available that aren't being used yet

So yes for a all out track only car or drag car it might not be 100% prefect, but if i can hit 90% with a easy installation to keep all the nice parts of the car without having to do hard work to fit it then i think i did my job on point. Not everyone wants a track only car. Some just want something fun without having to spend 10k for it and they can install themselves. This is the area that this is designed and focused for

[JANNETTYRACING]

I have to hand it to you, you're doing a hell of a job.

You have all the same reasoning/Ideas we saw in years past with the Squires turbo systems.

The biggest thing we see with rear mount turbos is inconsistency in power production from run to run due to thermal efficiency losses.

If you make 3 runs back to back on the dyno the first one spools at 4500 the second one spools at 4000, and the third one spools at 3500 all drastically changing the power curves and in many cases the AFR and Timing requirements.

We have worked with many rear mount turbo systems over the years so we draw from first hand experience both single and twin systems.

The 8 speed auto is one of the saving graces here as it keeps the engine in a tight power band.

As with Many performance mods price and ease of installation will drive sales.

I am excited for you and to see the results.

Ted.

[ender2664]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

I have to hand it to you, you're doing a hell of a job.

You have all the same reasoning/Ideas we saw in years past with the Squires turbo systems.

The biggest thing we see with rear mount turbos is inconsistency in power production from run to run due to thermal efficiency losses.

If you make 3 runs back to back on the dyno the first one spools at 4500 the second one spools at 4000, and the third one spools at 3500 all drastically changing the power curves and in many cases the AFR and Timing requirements.

We have worked with many rear mount turbo systems over the years so we draw from first hand experience both single and twin systems.

The 8 speed auto is one of the saving graces here as it keeps the engine in a tight power band.


As with Many performance mods price and ease of installation will drive sales.

I am excited for you and to see the results.

Ted.

On the street shouldn't rear mount turbos have a greater thermal efficiency?

[LesBaer]

I can't wait to see this thing and wish you success. At those output levels, don't forget to add $1200 to your budget for forged pistons, pins, and rings.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by ender2664

On the street shouldn't rear mount turbos have a greater thermal efficiency?

Street or dyno has nothing to do with Thermal efficiency or Thermal temperature loss.

[Goertz]

My full boost number I hit yesterday was after the car had been sitting for 6 hours in the parking lot all day so absolutely zero heat soaked through the system.

We were expecting to have to retune it infact but the maps from the tune the prior day held just fine. He did richen up the higher boost graph just a little to account for running a little leaner the night prior.

I'm not claiming to have some novel idea that nobody else has had before.

I am going to do everything in my power to mitigate the problems with, package it and present it in a professional package, fully tig welded and back purged 304 stainless glory.

There will be fully ceramic coated, header wrapped, turbo blanket, etc options for those looking to get every last ounce of it and make it as efficient as can be. But my goal is in its most basic package to offer it as competitively as I can to begin with. Then the added bells and whistles for those looking to get every last ounce out of it.


I am looking at a more all out race version of it that will be a mid mount configuration. Would require ditching factory gas tanks and run a nice fuel cell (which I'll build) in the trunk, that shortens up exhaust and intake track nearly 4-5 ft right there.

We are also looking at a twin turbo style configuration but utilize this spool valve to actually shut off 1 turbo (twin smaller turbos, like 6266) to spool through 1 turbo initially to get boost up faster and low end trq, and then open the valve so it flows through both turbos for the greater cfm and power requirements. We are really happy with how well the spool valve is working we are looking at ways to implement it elsewhere to greatly make things better.

[Goertz]

right now current plans are (if all stays in check in the bank account hahah, I'm pretty tapped out on my ccs to get where I am right now)

build supplemental fuel system next month hopefully then go up to 650-700 on stock engine (I have a friend making 800 on a 5.3 di engine 100% stock engine and trans)

then hopefully by october get some pistons, rods, headstuds and new head gaskets in there and aim for maxing out this s475 (rated at 1050hp)

As far as build design right now I'm solid with what I have for everything but the oiling system. The oiling system works but looks ghetto as F and that is going out the window and the permanent designed oil system I'm going to build this weekend.

Likely next week the car is getting ripped 100% apart and I'm starting my fixtures for everything. So I get to have my fun these next few days and weekend then rip it all apart for probably the next 2-3 weeks as I build fixtures and get things on shelf and ready to go

[Ian SS]

Rough idea on pricing?

[Goertz]

I'm still not discussing pricing because I'm not yet a vendor here and that would be against the rules.

[Goertz]

Ok so bad news.

For whatever reason our turbowerx exa pump has decided it doesn't want to be used for pressurizing the turbo and likes to instantly blow fuses now. Guess our self sustained oiling system isn't going to work after all.

So... I may be behind schedule for trying to get to the track and dyno this weekend. I'm going to get a -4 an feed line made tomorrow. Need to find the oil pressure sending unit on the block and get a fitting there. If anyone wants to chime in on where it is or the size feel free

Oil cap is off and we're going to have to work something out for getting oil back in through the cap.

Just hoping the pump isn't 100% dead, it works fine when oil lines are removed and it is pumping air or pushing everything out the system.

As usual though we're persistent people and will get the kinks lined out.

Unfortunately i won't get much of anything done tomorrow because i have gym in morning then work all day and in the evening i get to spend the night in the VA hospital downtown doing a sleep study test. With some luck i can get it plumbed back up Friday or Saturday and be running again.

[Goertz]

I'm not going to say the stand alone oil system will not later be implemented, but for the time being it needs much more testing as I'm all about a tested and proven product. I stand 100% behind anything with my name

[LesBaer]

Just going back to something you said earlier about having two configurations of this kit - one would be in the "something fun under $10k" category and the other would have the mid mounted turbos (high-end/all out power kit)

The more parts and work-arounds, the more things that can go wrong. So while it would be easier to install yourself, based on what you're experiencing, are you concerned with the long term cost to own and ongoing maintenance? What about the availability of replacement parts with so much custom development and you being a startup?

You're definitely brilliant and I'm not questioning your abilities at all. Please don't take this the wrong way and get defensive, I just want to understand your thinking. If I'm wrong, I'll accept that. I'm sure there things that you've addressed that we don't know about, so please forgive any oversights on my part.

I'm just looking at the big picture. The bigger pot of gold is in engineering something cheap and reliable for the average person. Literally everyone that owns this car is limited by fuel delivery right now. I just don't see how you're going to beat the simpler and reliable super charger solutions out there at the price for power game when you factor in the long-term cost to own. Even one of the bigger names out there has trouble making parts available for their customers, so this isn't going to be easy. Then, even if it works perfectly, you have public perception of rear-mounted turbos to overcome...only marketing dollars are going to solve that effectively.

Lastly, don't all turbos have more lag than a SC regardless of where they're placed - or is this something you've already solved and are just fine tuning?