Dyno results - AGP twin turbo 2016 Camaro SS

jessrayo · 07-14-2016, 05:56 PM

I've been a little slow on posting all of the results of my build. I have put about 3500 miles on the car with the turbos and really like the way the car performs. I have a pair of Borg Warner EFR 7163's with the .85 A/R V band housing. The car has a methanol injection system spraying two nozzles directly into the intercooler when boost is above 6 psi.

Dyno graph is pretty self explanatory. 3 runs, bottom was totally stock. Middle was max power we could get with totally stock fuel system. Top graph is max power with tank fuel pump upgrade. Power is still limited by fuel pressure to the injectors and will need the secondary camshaft pump upgrade to make more power.

It drives so well now that I may not make the additional cam pump upgrade. Right now on the stock tires with the traction control on I can just hammer it and as long as the road is dry it is stupid fast but controllable. No wheel spin with 60-70 mph roll-ons and the fishtailing from a dead stop is pretty minor with the traction control in stock setting. It is a fast but driveable street car.

Ace01 · 07-14-2016, 06:14 PM

I think 653HP is good enough LOL. Have any pics of the setup?? Wonder what a twin turbo V6 could do?

2011shelby · 07-14-2016, 08:59 PM

Nice.
What is the max boost level as it sits.

laynlo15 · 07-14-2016, 09:37 PM

That's about 770 at the crank. This is stellar. Congrats

PRAY · 07-15-2016, 06:51 AM

That's awesome. In for pics. I will look for a build thread.

JANNETTYRACING · 07-15-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

I've been a little slow on posting all of the results of my build. I have put about 3500 miles on the car with the turbos and really like the way the car performs. I have a pair of Borg Warner EFR 7163's with the .85 A/R V band housing. The car has a methanol injection system spraying two nozzles directly into the intercooler when boost is above 6 psi.

Dyno graph is pretty self explanatory. 3 runs, bottom was totally stock. Middle was max power we could get with totally stock fuel system. Top graph is max power with tank fuel pump upgrade. Power is still limited by fuel pressure to the injectors and will need the secondary camshaft pump upgrade to make more power.

It drives so well now that I may not make the additional cam pump upgrade. Right now on the stock tires with the traction control on I can just hammer it and as long as the road is dry it is stupid fast but controllable. No wheel spin with 60-70 mph roll-ons and the fishtailing from a dead stop is pretty minor with the traction control in stock setting. It is a fast but driveable street car.

Congrats, those are amazing numbers considering GM says the high pressure fuel system is limited to 650 lb ft torque at the crank.

I think I would do the LT4 High pressure pump and injectors for sure no matter what.

Have you had a chance to run it at the 1/4 mile?

I love my 16 with the Maggie it can be pretty violent when you want it

jessrayo · 07-15-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace01

I think 653HP is good enough LOL. Have any pics of the setup?? Wonder what a twin turbo V6 could do?

My hard drive crashed and I hadn't done a back-up since this project started so no pics right now. I need to get it on a lift again a take a few shots. That is supposed be a good V6 for boost but the cost is pretty significant.

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Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Nice.
What is the max boost level as it sits.

11 psi is what it is at for top dyno numbers.

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

That's about 770 at the crank. This is stellar. Congrats

Thanks, yes it makes for a nice daily driver.

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Originally Posted by PRAY

That's awesome. In for pics. I will look for a build thread.

Well the build was done by AGP turbo down in Phoenix, AZ. I try to stay a little knowledgeable about parts but when it comes down to it I'm the driver not the builder. It really does run very well, the power fluctuations related to transmission shifts are much more prominent than any perceived turbo lag.

PRAY · 07-15-2016, 02:30 PM

Still related to the other thread but pertinent to this one. You have to replace the pump in the tank that feeds the mechanical pump under the intake for more power correct? The one under the manifold can be modified by cam lobe or lash cap but is limited by the intank pump on our cars. Just want to make sure I am tracking for our cars. Still amazing numbers and sounds like a perfect driver to me.

Snowblind · 07-15-2016, 03:06 PM

692 torque .......giddyup !!!

Congrats on your Super Beast jessrayo, I hope you drive it like you stole it.

JoeAyalaM · 07-16-2016, 12:36 PM

Seems like a really Joy car. Congratulations!

Is AGP offering a kit sometime soon?

jessrayo · 07-16-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

Congrats, those are amazing numbers considering GM says the high pressure fuel system is limited to 650 lb ft torque at the crank.

I think I would do the LT4 High pressure pump and injectors for sure no matter what.

Have you had a chance to run it at the 1/4 mile?

I love my 16 with the Maggie it can be pretty violent when you want it

The next time I decide to put it in a shop I'm sure it is going to get the LT4 mechanical pump and injectors. I took it to my local track but they removed the 1/4 mile sensors and it is 1/8 mile only. I was so disappointed I didn't post up results but the car definitely is a little slow out of the hole. Best I could muster was 1.8 60 foot, 7.7 1/8 @ 97 mph. I think it would make up a lot of ground on the back 1/8 mile but doesn't have the jump off idle like you get with a PD supercharger. I have kind of turned into a standing mile guy of late and I keep thinking if I add the LT4 parts to this car it may go over 190 in the mile.

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Originally Posted by PRAY

Still related to the other thread but pertinent to this one. You have to replace the pump in the tank that feeds the mechanical pump under the intake for more power correct? The one under the manifold can be modified by cam lobe or lash cap but is limited by the intank pump on our cars. Just want to make sure I am tracking for our cars. Still amazing numbers and sounds like a perfect driver to me.

I'm just going to sum up what I have been told. The LT direct injection motors have 2 fuel pump systems, first is the electric in the trunk and second is a mechanical that is driven off the cam. I have been told that if you take a stock LT1 and upgrade the mechanical pump and injectors to the LT4 system it will make about 100 more horsepower without changing the electrical pump in the tank. I have also seen first hand on my car that leaving the mechanical pump stock and adding a bigger electrical pump in the tank will give about 100 horsepower. Supposedly if you change both the mechanical and electrical then you finally will get to the power limitations of the turbo/supercharger.... Give or take, I still do not think anyone has over about 1200 with an LT motor because that is all the fuel you can get in there with the current technology.

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Originally Posted by Snowblind

692 torque .......giddyup !!!

Congrats on your Super Beast jessrayo, I hope you drive it like you stole it.

Thanks, I look forward to everyday on the road.

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Originally Posted by JoeAyalaM

Seems like a really Joy car. Congratulations!

Is AGP offering a kit sometime soon?

I think AGP will have a kit available for sale within the next year. For now they are willing to hand fabricate everything if customers are interested.... Most of R&D has been done on my car so I assume it would be fairly simple if someone is interested.

STRUGLE · 07-16-2016, 06:34 PM

Awesome numbers

And some big changes with the fuel pump upgrade

Upgrading to the lt4 stuff And cam with bigger fuel lobe will for sure allow more fuel and lower.

Watch the Pistons......the vettes are lifting ring lands at 700ish hp levels.

Gmanuel · 07-16-2016, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by STRUGLE

Watch the Pistons......the vettes are lifting ring lands at 700ish hp levels.

Really? How common of a problem are the ring lands?

STRUGLE · 07-17-2016, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmanuel

Really? How common of a problem are the ring lands?

It's a very real and common issue right at those hp levels. Check the corvette forums. They have been playing with this engine for over 2 years.

The hyper Pistons in the LT1 just tend to give up right about there.

It's so common that wiseco has a set of drop on already balanced Pistons out for this engine. Just remove and replace.

So with that said if you are pulling the engine to do the cam with bigger fuel lobe....may as well replace the Pistons it won't be much more labor. And possible save a catastrophic failure.

07-14-2016, 05:56 PM	#1
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	Dyno results - AGP twin turbo 2016 Camaro SS I've been a little slow on posting all of the results of my build. I have put about 3500 miles on the car with the turbos and really like the way the car performs. I have a pair of Borg Warner EFR 7163's with the .85 A/R V band housing. The car has a methanol injection system spraying two nozzles directly into the intercooler when boost is above 6 psi. Dyno graph is pretty self explanatory. 3 runs, bottom was totally stock. Middle was max power we could get with totally stock fuel system. Top graph is max power with tank fuel pump upgrade. Power is still limited by fuel pressure to the injectors and will need the secondary camshaft pump upgrade to make more power. It drives so well now that I may not make the additional cam pump upgrade. Right now on the stock tires with the traction control on I can just hammer it and as long as the road is dry it is stupid fast but controllable. No wheel spin with 60-70 mph roll-ons and the fishtailing from a dead stop is pretty minor with the traction control in stock setting. It is a fast but driveable street car. Attached Images __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

07-14-2016, 09:37 PM	#4
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,873	That's about 770 at the crank. This is stellar. Congrats __________________ 2022 Lt1 6.2 A10, Maggie 2300, THPSI Port Inj/10 rib, Rotofab, E, Nickey, SCOL, Griptech, RC Bandits, Hoosiers/MT 9.80@142.96 1.44 60ft, 6.34@112 707/669 RWHP/TRQ. 16SS Maggie 2650 9.41@147 1.35 60ft, 5.99@119. 16 C7 A8 10.90@128 Bolt on stuff

07-15-2016, 06:51 AM	#5
PRAY Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sanford NC Posts: 2,766	That's awesome. In for pics. I will look for a build thread. __________________ 2016 2SS. H/C SBE 1.37 60ft, 6.36@109.49, 9.97@136+. Nuff Said.

07-15-2016, 02:30 PM	#8
PRAY Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sanford NC Posts: 2,766	Still related to the other thread but pertinent to this one. You have to replace the pump in the tank that feeds the mechanical pump under the intake for more power correct? The one under the manifold can be modified by cam lobe or lash cap but is limited by the intank pump on our cars. Just want to make sure I am tracking for our cars. Still amazing numbers and sounds like a perfect driver to me. __________________ 2016 2SS. H/C SBE 1.37 60ft, 6.36@109.49, 9.97@136+. Nuff Said.

07-15-2016, 03:06 PM	#9
Snowblind Drives: '16 2SS / '05 SRT10 Ram / '65 bu Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Philthy Posts: 978	692 torque .......giddyup !!! Congrats on your Super Beast jessrayo, I hope you drive it like you stole it. __________________ H/C SBE 9.80@140 powered by Texas Speed

07-14-2016, 06:14 PM	#2
Ace01 Drives: 2018 1LE SS "Silver Bullet" Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Charlotte Posts: 619	I think 653HP is good enough LOL. Have any pics of the setup?? Wonder what a twin turbo V6 could do?

07-14-2016, 08:59 PM	#3
2011shelby Drives: 2011ShelbyGT500 Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 293	Nice. What is the max boost level as it sits.

07-16-2016, 12:36 PM	#10
JoeAyalaM Account Suspended Drives: Audi S6 V8TT, Volvos XC60 & S60R Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 5000 ft above sea level. Posts: 414	Seems like a really Joy car. Congratulations! Is AGP offering a kit sometime soon?

07-16-2016, 06:34 PM	#12
STRUGLE Drives: 2016 2SS Black/Black Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Beaumont TX Posts: 146	Awesome numbers And some big changes with the fuel pump upgrade Upgrading to the lt4 stuff And cam with bigger fuel lobe will for sure allow more fuel and lower. Watch the Pistons......the vettes are lifting ring lands at 700ish hp levels.

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