[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

The general public has no idea its a new car. You can not just look at that car and tell. If you never read a car mag you do not know, hell most of the salesman do not know. At the dealer in my town he has 2 2015's on the lot and 6 2016's. He had to separate them because people looking at the 15's walked down the line and got shocked at why some camaros were so expensive than the rest, and they would keep explaining. This is a 15, and this is a 16. and the next statement I do not see the difference! That's the problem SEE the difference.

I guess I am a little different. I value styling but I get more excited about how it drives. The styling always gets old after a while anyway and something with new lines will catch your eye. I used to love the look of a C5 Corvette, not so much anymore. The new Camaro is a sharp looking sports coupe with great performance and tech.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Zomies

Not surprised at all. A good example happened to me back in May when I went a local Ford dealer asking about pricing on a GT premium performance pack that they had on the lot. With Costco pricing which many people can get I was told $37k. Then went to look at a Camaro and the least expensive 2SS was $45k and had no Costco pricing and not willing to haggle. So for the average consumer what do you think they would choose? The average consumer could also care less about the performance pack so you can then get a GT premium for $34.5k with Costco pricing without even haggling on price.

So......Did you buy it?

I'm an average consumer, I bought the 15 GT Premium with the performance package. I hated it. That floaty feeling when accelerating and the "thunk" going into first gear was horrendous.

I bought a 1SS with MRC, NPP, and A8 and my Camaro was within 1K of what I paid for a GT without the benefits of MRC, NPP, and A8.

The Camaro is WAAAAAAAY more advanced than the GT.

[Kobra_Klutch]

We all know the Camaro SS and higher models have raised the bar but I think they raised the bar so much that it out paced their customer's price points. For all the things this car does well there are many other things that it's not better at (utility and pricing) when compared to others in the segment. I honestly believe most people just aren't willing to pay "premium $$$" for a Camaro period. Many buyers aren't enthusiasts like many people on this forum and even though we love the improvements the average consumer just doesn't look at the Camaro in the same light as we do.

Perhaps---Chevy may have to revise this jaw dropping design(subjective of course), create a more upscale interior(subjective but for the price there are a lot nicer places to sit), bolster standard features and amenities to bring in the casual car buyers. For enthusiasts the Camaro is a toy primarily but for the casual buyer it will need to do more than that for their coin. It is what it is, in my opinion, and I love the car as is.

The people are speaking (the numbers don't lie), this current Camaro is not for many buyers. I know many enthusiasts on here don't care and would rather see less new Camaros around but GM can't afford for this to continue.

Even with the 1LE, ZL1, and Z/28 on deck the Camaro will probably be relegated to #3(sales wise) until the casual buyer finds more overall value in purchasing this car over others in the segment. Chevy may need to speak to the former #3 (Dodge) and see what ingredients they're using to keep their old lemonade so tasty.


Klutch

[tcal780]

The overall trend is most telling.
It's apparent the Gen6 is bad for sales (for whatever reasons). If 2017 doesn't reverse the trend, what happens next for the Camaro? I don't know, or care, really. I have my gen6 and love every minute of it.

[raptor5244]

C'mon...

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Kobra_Klutch

We all know the Camaro SS and higher models have raised the bar but I think they raised the bar so much that it out paced their customer's price points. For all the things this car does well there are many other things that it's not better at (utility and pricing) when compared to others in the segment. I honestly believe most people just aren't willing to pay "premium $$$" for a Camaro period. Many buyers aren't enthusiasts like many people on this forum and even though we love the improvements the average consumer just doesn't look at the Camaro in the same light as we do.

Perhaps---Chevy may have to revise this jaw dropping design(subjective of course), create a more upscale interior(subjective but for the price there are a lot nicer places to sit), bolster standard features and amenities to bring in the casual car buyers. For enthusiasts the Camaro is a toy primarily but for the casual buyer it will need to do more than that for their coin. It is what it is, in my opinion, and I love the car as is.

The people are speaking (the numbers don't lie), this current Camaro is not for many buyers. I know many enthusiasts on here don't care and would rather see less new Camaros around but GM can't afford for this to continue.

Even with the 1LE, ZL1, and Z/28 on deck the Camaro will probably be relegated to #3(sales wise) until the casual buyer finds more overall value in purchasing this car over others in the segment. Chevy may need to speak to the former #3 (Dodge) and see what ingredients they're using to keep their old lemonade so tasty.


Klutch

Please give us the name of the person at GM that told you they are unhappy about the sales number and that they cant afford for this to happen?

They could lower the price through incentives, but they haven't. Evidently they are not as concerned as you.

[GTIanZ28]

:cough: ADVERTISING :cough:

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

:cough: ADVERTISING :cough:

LMAO!

[Kobra_Klutch]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Please give us the name of the person at GM that told you they are unhappy about the sales number and that they cant afford for this to happen?

They could lower the price through incentives, but they haven't. Evidently they are not as concerned as you.

More like (names) of people at GM because it will impact those who actually make the car more than anything; unfortunately. Time will tell but I'm hoping for the best for all.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Kobra_Klutch

More like (names) of people at GM because it will impact those who actually make the car more than anything; unfortunately. Time will tell but I'm hoping for the best for all.

They aren't concerned with the numbers, neither are those of us that made the purchase. Although we all appreciate the outpouring of support from this forum, it helps us cope with the monthly sales data.

[ChevyRules]

Considering the only incentives is the 0%/72 months for the Camaro( designed to clear out 2016 inventory) and is not included in the 20% off sale Chevy is offering could be a sign they are happy with the sales numbers.

The next few months will be the big tell because if Camaro sales remain in the ~5-6K range and GM isn't happy with those numbers, we will be seeing more incentives. That would be the only indication( outside of them coming out and directly saying they are disappointed with the 6th gen sales) to us outsiders of how happy GM is with the Camaro's performance.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Only GM knows. Most of us that made the purchase are so happy with our cars.

That should go without saying. Those who have purchased a new Camaro are purchasing an amazing piece of machinery.

The reason these threads go on and on is at least two fold, one: trying to figure out why there aren't more of you and two: trying to figure out if this is all going to plan or to hell in a hand basket.

The theories abound plentifully but all will be left to wonder as long as GM doesn't disclose things like the aformentioned sales targets and or profit point for each Camaro sold.

And honestly, GM has no reason do release any of that informantion to us, so these very entertaining threads will persist.

[SpookShow'84]

Maybe they will bump up the mid cycle refresh, the price is an issue but if I could get the A10 with styling a little more distinct than the 5thgen rehash it would go a long way towards making the car worth the $.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

That should go without saying. Those who have purchased a new Camaro are purchasing an amazing piece of machinery.

The reason these threads go on and on is at least two fold, one: trying to figure out why there aren't more of you and two: trying to figure out if this is all going to plan or to hell in a hand basket.

The theories abound plentifully but all will be left to wonder as long as GM doesn't disclose things like the aformentioned sales targets and or profit point for each Camaro sold.

And honestly, GM has no reason do release any of that informantion to us, so these very entertaining threads will persist.

Look at the threads for the past two months, and then look at the last two weeks. Look how many forum members are proudly posting pics of their new Camaros on this forum. What changed in the last two weeks? The 0% financing is what happened. Chevrolet is probably seeing how much of the 2016 inventory can be cleared with that incentive.

The problem isn't why there isn't more of us owners, the problem is why do those of you that think its not worth buying spend your time posting about a car you feel isn't worth the price. You have an option to go buy that Mustang and Challenger, you should take that option. You'll be blown sideways on the track, but you'll have plenty of company since their sales numbers are so high.