[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Thor142

You guys that justify anything that GM feels like charging us really need to stop listing ala cart options at retail price to do so. Picking options off the SS list at full retail then adding them up to justify a 45,000 1ss1le is ridiculous. GM does NOT pay that amount for those options.
Now, they will charge us whatever they want based on how high they can get the price before they can't sell it in the volume they plan to. That's really all there is to it. It's capitalism. They absolutely could sell a 1LE at $42K and make some money but they may want to sell it a $47k and make lots MORE money. The parts they stick on it are almost irrelevant. They pick that stuff up on huge contracts for a song compared to what we pay retail.

Excuse me...

My explanation allotted $1000 for big brakes AND eLSD. Yes, I listed $2000 Recaros, but that's because that factory-build option price is already reduced from the actual price of the seats.

I don't "justify anything GM feels like charging". I'm simply a realist that's watched enough of this saga to notice trends and make educated guesses. Others appreciate such explanations, which is the only reason I share.

[Iron Oak]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

With all this waiting for pricing on the 1LE, it got me to thinking. What is the most I would pay for the package, before going to plan B?

I know the 1LE (in the SS) package is pretty extensive, but it still has to be competitively priced. Al O did say something to the effect "If you could afford the last 1LE, you can afford this one". So, with the last one being $3500, that tells me this one should be around $5000 or less, or that statement is somewhat invalid. That would make the car base for about $43,000 which is a fair price. I think my cutoff will be $45,000 ($7000 package price), if it is anymore than that, I will buy a 1SS and build it the way I would want to over time.

This is more or less my sentiment although I would much prefer to see the 1LE top out at $43k. I think that is fair, especially considering it is based solely on the 1SS and still allows a couple thousand more for the 1LE package in comparison to what the package cost on the 5th gen.

Plan B? Well, that will either be a 5th gen 1LE or Z/28. The prices have come down considerably.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Excuse me...

My explanation allotted $1000 for big brakes AND eLSD. Yes, I listed $2000 Recaros, but that's because that factory-build option price is already reduced from the actual price of the seats.

I don't "justify anything GM feels like charging". I'm simply a realist that's watched enough of this saga to notice trends and make educated guesses. Others appreciate such explanations, which is the only reason I share.

I didn't mean to pick on just you. There are a lot of people on this site that appear to be HUGE GM fans and think the General can do no wrong and are buying into the hype that this parts bin car is a 50-80K European sports car with a bowtie just because it performs like one. I've seen posts where people think a 50K 1LE and a $80K ZL1 are acceptable numbers for a parts bin pony car. I just think we should insert a little reality once in a while. This isn't some exotic or all new experimental platform. It's a car GM built from parts of other cars it's been selling for years. Why so expensive? From the looks of it the consumer isn't buying into it either.

[Cam 6]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I didn't mean to pick on just you. There are a lot of people on this site that appear to be HUGE GM fans and think the General can do no wrong and are buying into the hype that this parts bin car is a 50-80K European sports car with a bowtie just because it performs like one. I've seen posts where people think a 50K 1LE and a $80K ZL1 are acceptable numbers for a parts bin pony car. I just think we should insert a little reality once in a while. This isn't some exotic or all new experimental platform. It's a car GM built from parts of other cars it's been selling for years. Why so expensive? From the looks of it the consumer isn't buying into it either.

Market forces have a way of sorting out pricing.

A serious question: Why do European sports car enthusiasts buy an M4? Performance. Or for some it may be the badge. So either the Camaro SS is a great value or BMW is really strafing their customers at over $80K. You can't justify $40K+ for creature comforts.

My opinion lands somewhere in the middle.

[TransAmx2]

Originally Posted by Thor142

There are a lot of people on this site that appear to be HUGE GM fans and think the General can do no wrong and are buying into the hype that this parts bin car is a 50-80K European sports car with a bowtie just because it performs like one. I've seen posts where people think a 50K 1LE and a $80K ZL1 are acceptable numbers for a parts bin pony car. I just think we should insert a little reality once in a while. This isn't some exotic or all new experimental platform. It's a car GM built from parts of other cars it's been selling for years. Why so expensive? From the looks of it the consumer isn't buying into it either.

I agree with you, the 6th gen 1LE and ZL1 will have to really prove itself to justify a significant increase in price over the previous generations or base 1SS. I realistically expect to pay around $43,000 for a 1LE and would think that's a fair price for what you get over a 1SS and yet should outperform a GT Track Pack, a $40k+ Scat Pack or $48k+SRT across the board no questions asked and should be in the same ball park as (if not beat) the $50k GT350.

I'm excited about the 1LE as a best bang for your buck option over the competition, I'll gladly let a BMW fan have their bragging rights of fine German engineering, they are beautiful cars and I greatly respect them, but for the $20-30k+ price difference i'd rather spend my money elsewhere and still outperform them (or at least know Randy Pobst could)

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by TransAmx2

I realistically expect to pay around $43,000 for a 1LE and would think that's a fair price for what you get over a 1SS and yet should outperform a GT Track Pack, a $40k+ Scat Pack or $48k+SRT across the board no questions asked and should be in the same ball park as (if not beat) the $50k GT350.

The "regular" SS outperforms the GT track pack and Scat Pack/SRT, so the SS 1LE should put quite the hurting on those cars. I too feel it should be somewhat close to a GT350 as well, for a lot less coin...

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by Thor142

I didn't mean to pick on just you. There are a lot of people on this site that appear to be HUGE GM fans and think the General can do no wrong and are buying into the hype that this parts bin car is a 50-80K European sports car with a bowtie just because it performs like one. I've seen posts where people think a 50K 1LE and a $80K ZL1 are acceptable numbers for a parts bin pony car. I just think we should insert a little reality once in a while. This isn't some exotic or all new experimental platform. It's a car GM built from parts of other cars it's been selling for years. Why so expensive? From the looks of it the consumer isn't buying into it either.

When they made the 5th gen it wasn't outperforming every car in its segment in every metric with a nice interior to boot.

Chevy made the Camaro a considerably better car so they could justify raising the price. Some need to accept that.

The target for the 1le is the GT350. That GT350 is what, 56k starting now? It doesn't have unique bodywork or a bespoke engine, but I bet it outperforms it. I'm thinking 45k before tt&l.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by IOMike

When they made the 5th gen it wasn't outperforming every car in its segment in every metric with a nice interior to boot.

Chevy made the Camaro a considerably better car so they could justify raising the price. Some need to accept that.

The target for the 1le is the GT350. That GT350 is what, 56k starting now? It doesn't have unique bodywork or a bespoke engine, but I bet it outperforms it. I'm thinking 45k before tt&l.

I think so as well. IMO, the $3500 price on the Gen5 was a steal. The new 1LE package has to be at least $5k without the PDR/Nav option and I think it will probably be more.

Also, keep in mind that NPP and MRC was not a part of the Gen5 1LE for $3500. So, in my mind if the old 1LE package was $3500 and now we add NPP ($895) and MRC ($1695) then that alone should be $6100 added to a base SS. Now factor in the HUD, upgraded seats and E-diff, which were not a part of the old 1LE package, you had to pony up for a 2SS to get HUD, leather and old school gauges and if you wanted Recaros that was another $2k. Now add the PDR/NAV option. Mid $40s at least for sure...

[TransAmx2]

If the 1LE is too rich for my blood I think I would either go 1SS M6 with NPP exhaust or.......I would actually consider a Mustang GT Track Pack with a Factory Roush Supercharger Phase 1 (for warranty purposes) 670hp, I haven't driven one yet (supercharged) and that would have to be a requirement to make sure it's something I want.

I think that's my biggest dilemma I like both cars looks, both are comfortable, I like the looks of the 1LE and the performance features it packages are awesome, but it's possible to buy a new Track Pack GT with the 670hp supercharger kit for the same ballpark price (granted it won't have all the features the 1LE has) but I'm not sure which I would care more about, features and handling or horsepower, I have a feeling I'd prefer the 1LE 90% of the time but if I was at a light next to another sports car I'd want the supercharger

[MarkSS]

Plan b with a flowtie. It has some miles but I believe it will end up cheaper than a 2017 1LE. I am in awe of its capability.

[carsismeZ06]

I don't know about cheaper, but the lowest-end Z/28's will be in the same ballpark as a brand new, fully-optioned 1LE. (I predict)

[clanky]

Originally Posted by carsismeZ06

I don't know about cheaper, but the lowest-end Z/28's will be in the same ballpark as a brand new, fully-optioned 1LE. (I predict)

What? It was my understanding that you couldn't add too many options on a 1LE and since it's highest package is only a 1SS with the 1LE. I really really believe it will be much cheaper than the lowest version of the z/28. Z/28 is the highest halo car for camaro after all it will be even more than the ZL-1. So i'm not too sure where you're getting this from, but I am interested in where you came up with this.

edit, after reading your post again... maybe you are implying a used z/28? I'm not 100% sure.

[WhyUMad1LE]

Originally Posted by Cam 6

Market forces have a way of sorting out pricing.

A serious question: Why do European sports car enthusiasts buy an M4? Performance. Or for some it may be the badge. So either the Camaro SS is a great value or BMW is really strafing their customers at over $80K. You can't justify $40K+ for creature comforts.

My opinion lands somewhere in the middle.

You can order a base M3 with a stick for $60k after discounts. It still comes with nav, heated seats, and Harman Kardon audio. It also has a "better" image for old overly self-conscious guys. But 2 doors opens up many options.

[BigEnos]

$45K or less with destination. Plan B would be a used LS7 Z06 or C6 Grand Sport.

EDIT: I would add that the price would be before options like PDR. I'll just have to decide if I want to pony for the extra or not. Also, that's MSRP, not what I'll be paying LOL