[SpeedIsLife]

Folks...the sales aren't even close to "cancellation" levels yet.

In their last years the 4th Gen's were getting outsold at a nearly 7 to 1 margin..right now it's about 1.75 to 1

[DenverTaco07]

The sales comparison... it's just a tradition...bragging rights sort of thing?

With that said: The Six first hit the lots when...November (winter) of 2015? I think it is still kinda early (especially given the long winter many states had) to be looking at sales numbers (on a RWD performance car) as a metric of anything, let's get through one summer. Let's give all those new Mustang owners time to get out of their lease and buy the better pony car.

Also of note: First to Market, as the stang was, means a lot.

[MovieGuy]

One more time.

Sales are falling because the economy is crumbling. I worked for the BNSF railroad. Right now that company has 5,000 people laid off. Union Pacific has even more laid off. CSX had to close an entire repair facility, who knows how many they have let go system wide. These jobs all range from 50K a year to 6 figures for engineers.

An entire coal mine was shut down, there goes thousands of other jobs, all union, all paying very well.

Nation wide 95 million people are out of the work force. A small fraction of that are retired people. Most of it are people who have given up on looking for work.

The lag in sales is not a marketing issue. It is an economic indicator (that's why it is across the board in the automobile industry), as is the transportation industry, and you would do well to heed it.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MovieGuy

One more time.

Sales are falling because the economy is crumbling. I worked for the BNSF railroad. Right now that company has 5,000 people laid off. Union Pacific has even more laid off. CSX had to close an entire repair facility, who knows how many they have let go system wide. These jobs all range from 50K a year to 6 figures for engineers.

An entire coal mine was shut down, there goes thousands of other jobs, all union, all paying very well.

Nation wide 95 million people are out of the work force. A small fraction of that are retired people. Most of it are people who have given up on looking for work.

The lag in sales is not a marketing issue. It is an economic indicator (that's why it is across the board in the automobile industry), as is the transportation industry, and you would do well to heed it.

In your opinion when did it start failing?

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Folks...the sales aren't even close to "cancellation" levels yet.

In their last years the 4th Gen's were getting outsold at a nearly 7 to 1 margin..right now it's about 1.75 to 1

Subaru makes money selling 5k freaking Legacy models a month. I seriously doubt GM will lose money if they average 6-7k a month for next 5 years.. "People be tripping"

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

In your opinion when did it start failing?

Right after it reached the peak.

On a serious note, he's probably right. I also think the economy is going a bit south, but I'm just a computer guy.

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

In your opinion when did it start failing?

I really could not pinpoint it. But I do know the Railroads have been laying off since around April of last year. That was when they put the hiring freeze on where I worked because they had started laying off in the Northern corridor. Before that they were hiring at an unprecedented rate. Again the transportation industry is a leading economic indicator.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Right after it reached the peak.

On a serious note, he's probably right. I also think the economy is going a bit south, but I'm just a computer guy.

LOL nice one. I don't think the economy is a good shape either but damn...is everyone buying Mustangs on stolen money?

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

LOL nice one. I don't think the economy is a good shape either but damn...is everyone buying Mustangs on stolen money?

Bad credit

[SpeedIsLife]

A coworker of mine bought a 2010 Challenger R/T back in 2009 when the economy was really on the downward plunge. I asked him about 3 months ago why he didn't get the SRT8..he said because it was $8,000 more and he was able to secure 1.9% financing for 48 months on that where the SRT8 would have required 3.24% for 60 months...he chose the lesser of the two risks.

Just saying, that is the kind of thinking people do when they're facing an uncertain economy. Maybe that's why the Mustang hasn't seen quite the same dip? Combined with X plan pricing that literally anyone can get with a $50 a year membership to the MCA.
I don't know, just speculating.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

A coworker of mine bought a 2010 Challenger R/T back in 2009 when the economy was really on the downward plunge. I asked him about 3 months ago why he didn't get the SRT8..he said because it was $8,000 more and he was able to secure 1.9% financing for 48 months on that where the SRT8 would have required 3.24% for 60 months...he chose the lesser of the two risks.

Just saying, that is the kind of thinking people do when they're facing an uncertain economy. Maybe that's why the Mustang hasn't seen quite the same dip? Combined with X plan pricing that literally anyone can get with a $50 a year membership to the MCA.
I don't know, just speculating.

There was an article about the Ford Family and Friends discount (believe it's similar discount to X Plan) being a huge failure for them recently. Basically stating it didn't bring in any new business. Offering rebates did because customers feel like they are getting a "deal". I blame our public education system in math lol.

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

A coworker of mine bought a 2010 Challenger R/T back in 2009 when the economy was really on the downward plunge. I asked him about 3 months ago why he didn't get the SRT8..he said because it was $8,000 more and he was able to secure 1.9% financing for 48 months on that where the SRT8 would have required 3.24% for 60 months...he chose the lesser of the two risks.

Just saying, that is the kind of thinking people do when they're facing an uncertain economy. Maybe that's why the Mustang hasn't seen quite the same dip? Combined with X plan pricing that literally anyone can get with a $50 a year membership to the MCA.
I don't know, just speculating.

I bought my house in 2008. I had 30 years seniority with the railroad, interest rates were low, and housing prices were really low. I got my house for 20 grand less than it was worth the previous year at 4%. I was planning on renting the rest of my life so I could be more mobile after retirement but I could not pass that up. I just wish I would have bought a whole bunch of stock.

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

There was an article about the Ford Family and Friends discount (believe it's similar discount to X Plan) being a huge failure for them recently. Basically stating it didn't bring in any new business. Offering rebates did because customers feel like they are getting a "deal". I blame our public education system in math lol.

I bought my Mustang with a $4000 rebate, I got another $2000 off for my X Plan for working for the BNSF. I paid $24,000 for a $30,000 car. 2 years later I got $19,000 for it on trade for my Camaro. Sure I would have been better off holding onto it and paying it off, but I hated driving around with that Takata airbag. And I didn't want to have to buy a new hood as soon as it was out of warranty (google Ford paint on hoods). I had to have mine repainted twice because of the galvanization problem. The only real fix is buying an aftermarket hood.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

There was an article about the Ford Family and Friends discount (believe it's similar discount to X Plan) being a huge failure for them recently. Basically stating it didn't bring in any new business. Offering rebates did because customers feel like they are getting a "deal". I blame our public education system in math lol.

Another thing with rebates is, it can help offset some negative equity from a trade. When I sold at the dealership, sometimes we would go from a used car to a new car, because of the rebate. When someone was trading, the first question was, what do you owe on it? A rebate is like having additional down payment, banks become happier.