[DeliveryMan]

I've only seen 3 2016 Camaros on the road here. And I live in the city. I do see some 5th gens now n then.
I can even remember the 2016s I've seen!
Mosaic Black LT RS
Kinetic Blue SS
Gray Convertible (not sure of the trim)

[DenverTaco07]

I've only ever seen 2 lamborghini's, one Bugatti Veyron, rarely see any Porsche 911 Turbos...

those cars must suck.

sorry, what are we talking about here? sales are the only true critic of the car, and low sales = shitty car? Maybe I've missed the point about the sales numbers.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

That's not really valid for this discussion of sales vs the competition. Now if you had went and bought a Mustang or Challenger due to price it would be. But what you did is by almost a 2 year old car(depending on when it was built) of the same model. So obviously any of the new features on the 6th gen weren't a selling point for you. Essentially it's the same as buying a used car, always going to get a better deal if that car has all the things you want. Not that isn't a valid reason for you, but we are after why the Camaro isn't selling as well as the competition. And you didn't pick the competition if that makes sense.

Actually the new features were a selling point to me. I had no intention of replacing my 14 1LT with another Gen 5. As a matter of fact I never even hung out at Camaro 5 until after I got my 1LE. You you had a buyer following all the hype leading up to the unveiling and even going so far as to fill out the order at a dealer sight unseen only to back out and go another route because of price. If thats not relevant to the discussion what is?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

I've only ever seen 2 lamborghini's, one Bugatti Veyron, rarely see any Porsche 911 Turbos...

those cars must suck.

sorry, what are we talking about here? sales are the only true critic of the car, and low sales = shitty car? Maybe I've missed the point about the sales numbers.

Because for 5 years the Camaro dominated the sales, and that was a key point of discussion about how good the car was..Camaro5 used it as a measure of performance compared to the competition.

Now that the Camaro is not selling as well, people are trying to dismiss it as a measure point where at this time in 2014..it was a huge measure point.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Thor142

Actually the new features were a selling point to me. I had no intention of replacing my 14 1LT with another Gen 5. As a matter of fact I never even hung out at Camaro 5 until after I got my 1LE. You you had a buyer following all the hype leading up to the unveiling and even going so far as to fill out the order at a dealer sight unseen only to back out and go another route because of price. If thats not relevant to the discussion what is?

Because how many people who were looking at a Mustang or Challenger did the same? But in the end, they still bought them over a 6th gen Camaro. That's what I'm saying. Are we going to start talking about how many people bought a Honda, Kia, or some other make instead too? You saw a chance to save $10k and get what you were after, a V8 manual drivers car. That's perfectly good reasoning, but people buying those Mustangs and Challengers had those opportunities too and bought the new cars in greater numbers. So you are an outlier, not the rule.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

I've only ever seen 2 lamborghini's, one Bugatti Veyron, rarely see any Porsche 911 Turbos...

those cars must suck.

sorry, what are we talking about here? sales are the only true critic of the car, and low sales = shitty car? Maybe I've missed the point about the sales numbers.

[merlin803]

I think when GM decided to give people what they were asking for in the 6th Gen, Corvette type performance, better handling, improved interior materials, lower weight.....etc that they were smart enough to know that those improvements were going to have to raise the price point and push it past some buyer's willingness or ability to spend on a car.

That would be why they had to build in more profit per car sold.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

I've only ever seen 2 lamborghini's, one Bugatti Veyron, rarely see any Porsche 911 Turbos...

those cars must suck.

sorry, what are we talking about here? sales are the only true critic of the car, and low sales = shitty car? Maybe I've missed the point about the sales numbers.

That's erroneous thinking - low sales numbers do not necessarily mean the car is 'bad', only that it is not getting a larger market share. And comparing a hypercar sales numbers to an American sports car is not apples and oranges. There are a lot more buyers in the $40K range than those in a $400K+ range.

But anyone can see that if a car as incredible as the new Camaro - in just its first year after launch - has a low sales volume that something is wrong somewhere. What we think of the car as fans does not matter nearly as much as the 'Why' a person bought a Mustang or Challenger and NOT the G6 Camaro.

Those are the answers needed and we know it is not because the Camaro cannot outperform either of its competitors. The new Camaro is awesome but being awesome to us does not necessarily guarantee sales to others.

Hard to believe as it is...

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Because how many people who were looking at a Mustang or Challenger did the same? But in the end, they still bought them over a 6th gen Camaro. That's what I'm saying. Are we going to start talking about how many people bought a Honda, Kia, or some other make instead too? You saw a chance to save $10k and get what you were after, a V8 manual drivers car. That's perfectly good reasoning, but people buying those Mustangs and Challengers had those opportunities too and bought the new cars in greater numbers. So you are an outlier, not the rule.

Well um ....yeah. If you had someone chomping at the bit to have a gen 6 Camaro and in the end they backed out and bought something else that could be a contributing factor to low sales numbers could it not? See, I didn't shop around for a car and pick something else. I WANTED a gen 6. The price turned me away. If I bought a Kia and Camaro was never even in my sights you would have a point. That's not the case.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Because for 5 years the Camaro dominated the sales, and that was a key point of discussion about how good the car was..Camaro5 used it as a measure of performance compared to the competition.

Now that the Camaro is not selling as well, people are trying to dismiss it as a measure point where at this time in 2014..it was a huge measure point.

It's not being dismissed, we just don't see the point of obsessing over something beyond our control.

The gen6 is an upgrade of the gen5.

It has been praised in the media and has won several awards (such as Car of The Year).

The performance and technology is compared to higher end vehicles.

The sales figure for May is low.

Okay, it has now been considered. We don't need a 50 page thread to discuss it.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by Raven87

That's erroneous thinking - low sales numbers do not necessarily mean the car is 'bad', only that it is not getting a larger market share. And comparing a hypercar sales numbers to an American sports car is not apples and oranges. There are a lot more buyers in the $40K range than those in a $400K+ range.

But anyone can see that if a car as incredible as the new Camaro - in just its first year after launch - has a low sales volume that something is wrong somewhere. What we think of the car as fans does not matter nearly as much as the 'Why' a person bought a Mustang or Challenger and NOT the G6 Camaro.

Those are the answers needed and we know it is not because the Camaro cannot outperform either of its competitors. The new Camaro is awesome but being awesome to us does not necessarily guarantee sales to others.

Hard to believe as it is...

Low sales volume only indicate that "something is wrong somewhere" if your only measuring stick is how many cars are sold.

The measuring stick should be determined by the amount of profits.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Okay, it has now been considered. We don't need a 50 page thread to discuss it.

Obviously we do. :p and you're still posting in it

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

It's not being dismissed, we just don't see the point of obsessing over something beyond our control.

The gen6 is an upgrade of the gen5.

It has been praised in the media and has won several awards (such as Car of The Year).

The performance and technology is compared to higher end vehicles.

The sales figure for May is low.

Okay, it has now been considered. We don't need a 50 page thread to discuss it.

It is a performance upgrade over the 5th Gen but not in many other areas which appeal more to the bulk of Camaro buyers, the non-enthusiast.

Why so much discussion about May sales? Because May should have been a huge month for Camaro. Yes, it may have been down some from last year still given two less selling days than last year but it shouldn't have been down 40% leading to the lowest May total since its return.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by merlin803

Low sales volume only indicate that "something is wrong somewhere" if your only measuring stick is how many cars are sold.

The measuring stick should be determined by the amount of profits.

You think the 6th Gen has amortized its development cost already and turning a profit?