[Marine Corps]

After cruising the net yesterday it was confirmed that the "Data Guy" was absolutely correct. The Ford Mustang is kicking the Camaro's and Challenger's ass. The only redeeming factor for me is that my 2016 2SS will be rarer still. It's obvious that the major reason is the price. Sorry I doubted the facts.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Marine Corps

After cruising the net yesterday it was confirmed that the "Data Guy" was absolutely correct. The Ford Mustang is kicking the Camaro's and Challenger's ass. The only redeeming factor for me is that my 2016 2SS will be rarer still. It's obvious that the major reason is the price. Sorry I doubted the facts.

Oh well, I guess...."Poor people have poor ways"....Amazing how the Camaro is right at the cut-off line of affordability and the bench-mark for being rich or poor...lol...

You get what you pay for. Maybe if the economy improves for more of the population the Camaro will sell better. Otherwise most will have to settle for a Mustang.

[bballr4567]

Originally Posted by hangover

Smaller isn't necessarily better. Funny thing, the 135i is smaller and has plenty of legroom as well. The price you pay GM for building a "parts bin" car as an afterthought on another platform. Not very well thought out.

Plenty?? Plenty? That is plain laughable. It's 33" for the 235i.

The 4 series coupe (yea I HATE typing that) is 33.7". That is still very small.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by hangover

Wrong. The Mustang has plenty of legroom for kids. The Camaro has none. Deal-breaker for anyone who wants a sporty car and a family.

if you kids are less than three years old or have no legs, then yes...plenty of room for kids.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by 90503

Oh well, I guess...."Poor people have poor ways"....Amazing how the Camaro is right at the cut-off line of affordability and the bench-mark for being rich or poor...lol...

You get what you pay for. Maybe if the economy improves for more of the population the Camaro will sell better. Otherwise most will have to settle for a Mustang.

Most people aren't enthusiasts and don't consider getting a Mustang or Challenger settling.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 90503

Oh well, I guess...."Poor people have poor ways"....Amazing how the Camaro is right at the cut-off line of affordability and the bench-mark for being rich or poor...lol...

You get what you pay for. Maybe if the economy improves for more of the population the Camaro will sell better. Otherwise most will have to settle for a Mustang.

Settle?

You "settle" and get a Carolla, Civic or such.

You "settle" and buy a 2010 Malibu.

If you're in a position to be able to afford a $28,000-$35,000 Mustang or Challenger, you're not exactly "settling" from a normal car buyers point of view.

With my turns of luck lately, I'd be happy to "settle" for a nice used Camaro/Mustang/Challenger..new isn't an option.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Most people aren't enthusiasts and don't consider getting a Mustang or Challenger settling.

Right, it's just that extra few grand that's apparently making the difference.

If they could afford it, they'd buy a Camaro. That appears to be the "facts" of deciding which to buy...

I say let's cut the crap about the price....If it's too much for anyone, GTFO...

The sniveling and belly-aching about it is getting tiresome and boring...

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 90503

Right, it's just that extra few grand that's apparently making the difference.

If they could afford it, they'd buy a Camaro. That appears to be the "facts" of deciding which to buy...

I say let's cut the crap about the price....If it's too much for anyone, GTFO...

The sniveling and belly-aching about it is getting tiresome and boring...

Bit of an arrogant presumption that the only reason people buy the Mustang or Challenger is because the Camaro is too expensive, isn't it?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok we need to be more specific here. We keep saying GM is going after more profit per vehicle which isn't the whole story. They armrest trying to take the overall more profitable path which is more profit per vehicle but with enough sales that the profit is actually higher when you multiply it by the number of vehicles sold.

Hence selling fewer vehicles than that volume is planned to be is still a failure.

Total development costs and capital spread across fewer vehicles than planned quickly erodes the "more profit per vehicle on fewer sales" plan.

I also doubt very much GM actually has a plan for the Gen6 that actually sells fewer vehicles than the Gen5. But that we will never know.

This ^ Even if they are going after more $ Per car. I would still have to believe they are not happy that the all new 6th Gen Camaro that is worlds better than the car it replaces just had the worst May sales wise in the last 6 years.

[90503]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Bit of an arrogant presumption that the only reason people buy the Mustang or Challenger is because the Camaro is too expensive, isn't it?

I agree with that. Tell that to everyone who gripes about the Camaro's price.

But if you look at what seems to be the most popular reason that Camaro sales are low, and why Mustang is far ahead in sales, it's the price tag of the Camaro, and Chevy's profit margin that is used to explain the low Camaro sales....

The real arrogance is expecting Chevy to lower the Camaro's price to suit their personal budget...

[MovieGuy]

Originally Posted by 90503

I agree with that. Tell that to everyone who gripes about the Camaro's price.

But if you look at what seems to be the most popular reason that Camaro sales are low, and why Mustang is far ahead in sales, it's the price tag of the Camaro, and Chevy's profit margin that is used to explain the low Camaro sales....

The real arrogance is expecting Chevy to lower the Camaro's price to suit their personal budget...

I still think a big part of the higher price of the Camaro is they come with more equipment standard that is optioned on the Mustang. Another part is they seem to be far more attentive to every little detail of the car. Right down to tuning the exhaust so well even a V6 sounds bad ass. Body panels all fit better. And the way they designed it for weight distribution is incredible.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by MovieGuy

I still think a big part of the higher price of the Camaro is they come with more equipment standard that is optioned on the Mustang. Another part is they seem to be far more attentive to every little detail of the car. Right down to tuning the exhaust so well even a V6 sounds bad ass. Body panels all fit better. And the way they designed it for weight distribution is incredible.

Agree. Now consider that this was a deliberate business decision by Chevrolet. Higher standard content/price, options that are unavailable on the Mustang/Challenger, higher level of performance.

Did Chevrolet plan to sell less with those decisions? No way for me to know for sure but I say yes.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Agree. Now consider that this was a deliberate business decision by Chevrolet. Higher standard content/price, options that are unavailable on the Mustang/Challenger, higher level of performance.

Did Chevrolet plan to sell less with those decisions? No way for me to know for sure but I say yes.

From what we know about projected production at LGR for the rest of the year, Chevy expects many more to sell.

[merlin803]

Maybe their plan is to increase advertisement and incentives to coincide with the production increase.