[iroc_but5.0sdont]

Originally Posted by AdvanSuper

Ugh literally the same.






Now let's look at the Mustang which went through a similar update with modern styling.

You just don't get it. As a Camaro fan I can see the difference. I telling you the general perception of the car. I hang out at the track and parking lot car meets. Rather people like the new Mustang design or not they notice it's a new design a mile across the parking lot. Average car guys notice a little difference up close with the Camaro. My wife who could careless and the kids who want toys couldn't even tell it was a new camaro.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

You just don't get it. As a Camaro fan I can see the difference. I telling you the general perception of the car. I hang out at the track and parking lot car meets. Rather people like the new Mustang design or not they notice it's a new design a mile across the parking lot. Average car guys notice a little difference up close. My wife who could careless and the kids who want toys couldn't even tell it was a new car.

That goes for a lot of cars bro when they get a refresh. Most won't know, I couldn't tell if the new Kia, 370Z, GTR, G37, Prius, Camry got a new refresh really unless I googled it.

My girl just needed to see my car, then a 15 model and then she was able to tell the dif. after that.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Raven87

No secret there - for the very same reason. You can buy an equivalent Mustang or Challenger for less money. May not be by much but it matters.
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Not from what I can tell. They base models both start at just over $25k with destination. I think when you start picking the options the Premium Mustangs come in cheaper than the comparable 2LT with options to match.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

Rather people like the new Mustang design or not they notice it's a new design a mile across the parking lot. Average car guys notice a little difference up close with the Camaro. My wife who could careless and the kids who want toys couldn't even tell it was a new camaro.

The main way I spot a new Mustang is the LED running lights. The are very unique to the new car and make it easy to spot at a distance. But I don't buy how someone can spot the new Mustang at a distance unless they are looking for the same thing. The car's shape is definitely "Mustang" and you have to know what to look for beyond that. Sounds like people who are used to seeing them and know what to look for. Course when there's so many of them being sold compared to 6th gens, it's easy to understand. Cause and effect.

[iroc_but5.0sdont]

Originally Posted by Richard0nee

That goes for a lot of cars bro when they get a refresh. Most won't know, I couldn't tell if the new Kia, 370Z, GTR, G37, Prius, Camry got a new refresh really unless I googled it.

My girl just needed to see my car, then a 15 model and then she was able to tell the dif. after that.

that is true

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Not from what I can tell. They base models both start at just over $25k with destination. I think when you start picking the options the Premium Mustangs come in cheaper than the comparable 2LT with options to match.

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy's own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

[AdvanSuper]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

You just don't get it. As a Camaro fan I can see the difference. I telling you the general perception of the car.

That's not how you worded the post I quoted

[iroc_but5.0sdont]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The main way I spot a new Mustang is the LED running lights. The are very unique to the new car and make it easy to spot at a distance. But I don't buy how someone can spot the new Mustang at a distance unless they are looking for the same thing. The car's shape is definitely "Mustang" and you have to know what to look for beyond that. Sounds like people who are used to seeing them and know what to look for. Course when there's so many of them being sold compared to 6th gens, it's easy to understand. Cause and effect.

lol it's a metaphor my friend, what I mean is people seem to notice the Mustang is an all new design.

[Expunge]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy'e own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

Could not agree with you more. They are way overpriced. Average of 6K higher for the same model when you compare Gen5 vs. Gen6. GM either needs to start running rebates or lower the price of the car.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy'e own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

I see that too.. luckily for me i'm after the big V-8's and I have no problem paying the extra 4k from a base GT to a 1SS. Even if they offered the premium GT with performance pack, recaros, a bunch of goodies for the same price as a 1SS I'll still take the SS!

The dif in performance is not small between the two and every weight saving, HP, Torque advantage is a big win.

As far as the lower trims, the price shouldn't be too big of a gap since people who shop there don't care for the extra 20 HP or torque.

[iroc_but5.0sdont]

Originally Posted by AdvanSuper

That's not how you worded the post I quoted

Come on man that was a reference to how many critics feel.

[AdvanSuper]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy's own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

Then let them go with the cheaper car with less standard features and inferior. GM will be fine it's not like they'll kill the Camaro over bad sales on a brand new platform. You pay more because you get more.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy's own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

Think Chevy.com was giving me a '15 price, saw $25,390. V6 Mustang is $25,045 vs $26,695 for 1LT. So $1600, but still definitely noticeable. Course the V6 Mustang is a 2nd class citizen devoid of every option. EB changes that difference to less than $200. Like I said, the differences are going to be with options for each.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Raven87

Have you even PRICED the two?

These numbers are from Ford and Chevy's own Build and Price website.

2016 Mustang Base V6 Fastback - V6 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $24,145.

2016 Camaro Base I4 Turbo coupe - I4 and 6 speed manual are standard - base price is $26,695! The Camaro starts out over $2500 MORE than the base Mustang using GM's own data from the Camaro website.

That is one hell of a difference in anyone's book, much less some young buyer starting out.

And when every dollar matters for payments, that is why base Camaros are at a disadvantage price-wise.

Got to agree with Raven here, I tried optioning up the two fairly similar for what I would want if I was looking to just get a basic coupe thats fun to drive.

Mustang Fastback, ecoboost 6sp auto trans and the optional 18" wheels, and interior light kit came out to $28,144.

Camaro 1LT, V6 8sp Auto trans no other options (couldn't upgrade the wheels without going for the RS package comes out to 29,685

Mustang with the PP and 19" wheels comes out to 29,984 and the Camaro with RS package comes to 31,635.00

Switch them to models with leather and very quickly what I believe is comparible tech options (Mustang has auto, PP and 201A package, Camaro has RS package, V6 auto, and convenience package) and the Mustang comes in at 35,530 where the Camaro is 38,535