[mjw930]

Originally Posted by archer1965

Genesis Coupe 3.8 R-Spec
Rear drive, well equipped, 348HP, similar torque, nicely balanced, drivers car. About $30K.

I had a 2012 2.0 Turbo R-Spec, very fun car to drive for $23K.

Agreed, the Genesis Coupe doesn't get a lot of respect but it's a damn fine car.

[MiamiBlueCamaro]

Originally Posted by mjw930

The C7 Corvette is barely in the 911 league, why someone would compare the Camaro with a Porsche perplexes me. Comparing it to an Audi S5 makes a lot more sense if you must compare it to something in the PAG/VAG portfolio.

Remember, there's a whole lot more than track times that factor into what makes one car "better" than another and "better" is a very subjective term. What you should focus on is what you or the average buyer would cross shop. That is a better indication of what the user's needs are and how well a particular car fill those needs.

Corvette = 2 seats

Camaro and Porsche = 4 seats.........That's why the comparison!

[Mojave]

Originally Posted by mjw930

Agreed, the Genesis Coupe doesn't get a lot of respect but it's a damn fine car.

It is a decent car if you don't race it. Take it out as your track car and the thing just starts to fall apart (literally). It just isn't built for hard driving

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Sorry but the Camaro SS 1LE isn't even in the 911 league yet. I see the GT4 being close in performance metrics to the SS 1LE, but we still don't know that. Even so it would be a stretch to compare the V6 camaro to even a Base Cayman. Just apples and oranges.

Originally Posted by mjw930

The C7 Corvette is barely in the 911 league, why someone would compare the Camaro with a Porsche perplexes me. Comparing it to an Audi S5 makes a lot more sense if you must compare it to something in the PAG/VAG portfolio.

Remember, there's a whole lot more than track times that factor into what makes one car "better" than another and "better" is a very subjective term. What you should focus on is what you or the average buyer would cross shop. That is a better indication of what the user's needs are and how well a particular car fill those needs.

It looks like you didn't read my post well enough. The Camaro 1LE is not cross shopped with a GT4 and never will be. But I will be going toe to toe with my co workers GT4 at track days and we expect it to be a drivers race as to who will lap faster.

Also I'm not entirely sure how you see that the C7 isn't a comparison to the 911? Lets take a base C7 and see what it does to a base 911. It won't be pretty. Even the Carrera 4S will struggle to keep up with the C7 Z51, 911 Turbo vs Z06. I find the C7 to be very much on the same level of performance as the 911.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

Lets wait and hopefully Motor Trend do a comparison with a 911! and with half the price is "comparable" to the Porsche

No way is the Camaro 'comparable' to a 911. It's a lot more cost effective, but i can't imagine that there is one metric where the Camaro beats the 911, at least not in standard 2SS trim. The ZL1 or Z/28 might have some aspect of a 911 beat, but not the overall package. If you have the money for a 911 please move along and buy that. Specifically a GT3.

I'd be interested in a Camaro 1LE vs Cayman GT4 comparo. I could see that being a VERY interesting comparison for some people. The GT4 obviously more expensive, but just how good is the Camaro? Lets hope someone finds out.

[mbar]

It's all about what you are looking for.
Looking for fast lap times ? Yes the V6 1LE will do good lap times. It will have all the cooling and stiffer suspension of the Standard 2016 SS. Does it make it a good driver's car? you tell me...

Miata is so much fun to drive, but when it comes to lap times you are in the wrong place. Fiesta ST is also a fun car, but same as the Miata.

I'm looking for power and fast lap times....others might look for the feeling of a vert or a nimble little car. Others will prefer the great cruising abilities that a Dodge Challenger has.

Pick your poison .

[aestil]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

It looks like you didn't read my post well enough. The Camaro 1LE is not cross shopped with a GT4 and never will be. But I will be going toe to toe with my co workers GT4 at track days and we expect it to be a drivers race as to who will lap faster.

Also I'm not entirely sure how you see that the C7 isn't a comparison to the 911? Lets take a base C7 and see what it does to a base 911. It won't be pretty. Even the Carrera 4S will struggle to keep up with the C7 Z51, 911 Turbo vs Z06. I find the C7 to be very much on the same level of performance as the 911.

The Z06 is faster even than a 911 GT3, but if money is not an object, wouldn't you just vastly prefer the GT3? At some point outright speed becomes less important. I'm not saying anything negative about the Z06, it's an amazing value and except for some cooling problems that I hope they have sorted out it's an amazing machine. But basically, my response is 'that GT3 doe'.

I'm with you on being interested in the GT4 vs 1LE comparison. I think there is an argument to be made that they MIGHT be cross shopped. In this case if someone is looking for a trackable daily driver and has the money for such a luxury, a GT4 isn't so expensive that it's completely out of the league of the Camaro. I'd expect a GT4 vs 1LE comparo to be similar to the 2SS vs M4 comparo as far as price difference goes.

[Lukemo]

Let us not forget Car and Drivers 2015 lightning lap feature.

The Z06 is the second fastest car they have ever taken around VIR, bested only by the $845,000 Porsche 918 Spyder.

The Z06 lapped faster than the McLaren 650S Spider, Lamborghini Huracan LP610-4, 911 GT3, and the Merc. AMG GTS.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...d-more-feature

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by aestil

The Z06 is faster even than a 911 GT3, but if money is not an object, wouldn't you just vastly prefer the GT3? At some point outright speed becomes less important. I'm not saying anything negative about the Z06, it's an amazing value and except for some cooling problems that I hope they have sorted out it's an amazing machine. But basically, my response is 'that GT3 doe'.

I'm with you on being interested in the GT4 vs 1LE comparison. I think there is an argument to be made that they MIGHT be cross shopped. In this case if someone is looking for a trackable daily driver and has the money for such a luxury, a GT4 isn't so expensive that it's completely out of the league of the Camaro. I'd expect a GT4 vs 1LE comparo to be similar to the 2SS vs M4 comparo as far as price difference goes.

I would love to have a GT3 RS but I would also love a C7 Z06 just as much. and for the price I could have the Z06 and a Camaro ZL1. If its not performance based I would rather have an Aston Martin!

[Texicans73]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

You said you was interested in a V6 1LE??? Those, in my opinion, are going to be absolutely fantastic driver's cars. Light weight (relatively) with track oriented suspension...if its handling that you are after, and not crazy amounts of power, it is the one for you.

GM has already said it laps basically the same times on their test track as the last gen SS. So one can assume that it loses time on the straights to the 5th gen SS, but makes up the time in handling and braking.

That said, even if you didn't get the 1LE version, even the standard V6 appears to be a great drivers car.

This might sound strange, but I don't get many chances to go WOT on my SS...its just so stinking fast lol. I kind of miss wringing out my old 5th gen V6.

KMP, you're right that I'm not targeting crazy power/speed. Just want something with power that I can access. As a kid of the 80's, most of the cars of my dreams were as quick or slower than the 6th gen v6 Camaro. These cars were not nearly as safe either. I've read many great things about this platform in the ATS. I just can't warm up to Cadillac interiors, else I'd probably have bought my wife an ATS this past March.

I hope you're expectations are correct regarding the handling. This car seems like it would be a significant value from a handling perspective. Many articles I've read suggest GM put their dollars into the platform for the ATS. I'm happy to see the cross application to the Camaro.

I've never been a big Camaro guy. An ex-girlfriend in the 90's bought herself a new '98 Trans Am as her first car out of college. On occasion I'd persuade her to throw me the keys to take it for a spin. That thing was a blast.... just found this article. Crazy how far these cars have come in 18 years or so. The as tested price of $31K is equivalent to $45K today for very similar performance to the RS. I wonder what kind of $$$ you had to spend 20 years ago to get today's SS performance?

http://www.motortrend.com/news/1998-pontiac-trans-am/

I'm looking forward to seeing what the 1LE package will cost and how it will perform. I hope to daily this car, but still mix in my Street Triple R moto for a different kind of adrenaline fix. Will have a paid for '10 Subie Forester for grocery and kid moving duties and my wife's Volvo S60 T5 AWD for occasional client duty.

As you moved from a 5thgen v6 to the SS, do you feel the extra performance was worth the price delta? Is the SS handling that much better than your v6?

Thanks again. Everyone's responses have been great.

[Texicans73]

Mbar, I've given some serious thought to a Club NC Miata or a lightly used Fiesta ST. However, the more I see the 6th gen in person, the less I think about the Miata or Fiesta. I do have to ask what is a "vert." I can't say I'm up on that term. Maybe it was a typo. But, I'm not a muscle/sports car guy. thx.

[angelbones]

Other than the obvious Mustang, I believe it is fair to, or at least cross shop, the BMW 2 series since they are in the same ball park price-wise. The 228i is equivalent in speed, interior dimensions, and other features for the same price as a V6 Camaro. The M235 is nearly equivalent to an SS model in those same qualities: speed, interior, and other features. However, the Camaro has both beat when you start comparing feature for feature (except for better back seat and trunk space in the 2). Just offering a reasonable apples to apples comparison.

[ParisTNDude]

It looks to me like the Porsche owners think the Porsche is the much better car and the Camaro owners believe the Camaro is the better car.

I wonder why that is???

[archer1965]

Originally Posted by mjw930

Agreed, the Genesis Coupe doesn't get a lot of respect but it's a damn fine car.

it is a Hyundai, which was a throw-away car for a long time. They've made some changes and produce a decent car now.