[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Why install a return line at all? GM and the EPA want you to burn all that stuff, so they make you put it back into the intake tract, to go into the cylinder again. That's where the deposits come from.

But, why put it back? Take the PCV line from your engine, run it to something (filter, catch can, etc.) and never run it back to the intake tract.

That's what we did on my LS1 race motor. Just ran it down near the ground and put a tiny little K&N filter on it. Prevents air from getting in, and who really cares if I'm putting a drop of oil every week on the ground on some random road?

I wouldn't want it dripping on my driveway.....ever. Especially not over a period of years...

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by KevinTernes

Link?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451361

[63falcondude]

Wow... just read through that whole thing. What a mess...

[Driski]

Originally Posted by Thor142

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451361

Thank you for posting that. I have purchased a can and was waiting to install as I have the convertible and did not feel comfortable with installing it under the tower strut brace (another modification, some have removed the brace and installed the bracket under the brace). Now I feel much less comfortable. It is going back! Thanks again!

[suzook]

I have a bridge for sale, if anyone is interested.

[916camaro]

I too just received my catch can,I think it will be going back as well not sure its worth the trouble

[G-10]

Whenever I'm stopped and start off again I can smell burned oil ( I hate that smell). Is this telling me I need a catch can? Anybody else have this problem?

[Ratchet]

This thread -- and particularly this link: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451361 -- point the problem with believing a vehicle owner can "force" GM or a particular dealer to honor the manufacturer's vehicle warranty (Magnuson-Moss, 15 U.S.C. @#02(C).)

No question Elite Engineering has a solid piece of gear. That's not the issue. And the company's representative has correctly stated the requirements of the law cited above. The problem is the law isn't self-enforcing. You can't just cite the law and expect that GM or the dealer will voluntarily comply with it. That's simply not going to happen. Both have to be made to comply with the statute, and as the OP in the linked thread has now come to understand now, that means, at a minimum, hiring a lawyer to sue both the dealership and GM to force them the honor the warranty. They aren't going to do it otherwise.

And hiring a lawyer is just the beginning. Someone has to testify concerning the source of the engine damage. That requires at least one expert witness, and he, too, has to be paid up front. Then there are court costs (hundreds of $ a day), stenographers, paralegals, all of whom expect to be paid to work the case.

And you can be damn sure that neither GM nor the dealership are simply going to roll over for some unknown lawyer and his paid-to-testify "expert". They are going to going to bring in a phalanx of their own in-house counsel, and their experts are going to snap it off in the home-town talent who think they can simply show up in court and win a warranty lawsuit against GM. GM has been at this a long time.

So, yeah, Magnuson-Moss does require GM prove the installed part cause the engine failure. So what? Unless Elite Engineering is either going to make the OP whole or front the cost of litigation, the OP is simply SOL.

[233]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I wouldn't want it dripping on my driveway.....ever. Especially not over a period of years...

But if you add a catch can first, will it still drip?

[RenegadeXR]

There are still a few things about catch cans that I'm kind of wary of…

1. Has there been any long term testing to definitely say that they increase the life of an engine under "normal" conditions? By this, I mean the average driver who puts 10k+ miles on their car per year, some of it being hard driving to help burn up carbon deposits. Or does this only benefit infrequent drivers?
2. If yes to the last question (it benefits an "average" driver), by how much does it increase the life expectancy of an engine? Or can we only guess at best?
3. Aren't we defeating the purpose of the PCV taking the blow-by fumes of the crank case and sending them back to the engine to be burned? Or is the fact that this is captured as a liquid make it less harmful to the environment if disposed of properly?
4. Is there any way to quantify just how much oil fumes (parts per million) are caught by a "good" catch can with proper baffling, maybe represented as a percentage of the normal PPM that would go back to the engine and be burned?
5. Why would manufacturers not install this by default if it benefits the engine's longevity and satisfied EPA requirements? Please don't say it's a "maintenance" concern — cars have plenty of maintenance requirements like oil changes, replacing fluids, etc. This would not strain the average consumer any more than an oil change, and they could get it done by a shop as part of regular maintenance if needed. What's the real answer? Corporate greed and a desire to see our engines die early?

I understand the mentality of opening a catch can, seeing oil,, and saying "yuck, this would have gone into my engine?" but at the same time, you're seeing the worse of the worst. That's contaminants from a trace amount of oil vapor in what would probably be many cubic feet of air per second pushed through the engine constantly. It's like collecting a year's worth of boogers on a rag and saying "all this could have gone down my throat if I accidentally swallowed it?" Seems gross at first, but it doesn't kill you since it's such a gradual thing.

[dragonZ28]

Originally Posted by 00 Trans Ram

Why install a return line at all? GM and the EPA want you to burn all that stuff, so they make you put it back into the intake tract, to go into the cylinder again. That's where the deposits come from.

But, why put it back? Take the PCV line from your engine, run it to something (filter, catch can, etc.) and never run it back to the intake tract.

That's what we did on my LS1 race motor. Just ran it down near the ground and put a tiny little K&N filter on it. Prevents air from getting in, and who really cares if I'm putting a drop of oil every week on the ground on some random road?

The truth is, you can do this, but I still wouldn't recommend it.

1 - it is illegal. Those crankcase gases that build up and evacuate aren't EPA compliant. That is, if you actually care, lol.

2 - The intake vacuum actually removes harmful pressure build up in the crankcase and helps seal the rings, which reduces blow-by and keeps the engine operating as designed.

[dragonZ28]

Originally Posted by Thor142

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451361

That's a crock of BS. A catch can can not "starve" your engine of operating oil. It has zero, nothing, nada to do with oil pressure loss. If the can wasn't there, the same failure would have occurred.

A catch can does not, in any way, stop oil pressure, interfere with lubrication of vital components such as bearings or galleys, have a single thing to do with the oil pump, pick-up tube or seal. It seems to me that this guy should escalate with GM and bash this dealer into oblivion - if his story is true.

If you're scared of the catch can voiding a warranty, which it won't, take it off before service. Easy solution.

[C5Txfan]

Posted on another forum -

A buddy of mine who has a 2015 SS 1LE Camaro had his powertrian warranty voided because he has a catch can. GM claims the device caused an issue with the oil pressure and has refused to fix an engine failure (11,422 miles).

There is a petition that has started on Change.Org found here:

https://www.change.org/p/alicia-bole...edium=copyLink

Here's the original thread:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451361

[Modshack]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

+1

Lots of guys that are performance oriented on other platforms said after seeing the valves on their cars, said they would pull the heads at 60-70K and have them cleaned. With no fuel over the valves, and no proven method to really clean them with the heads on the car a good CC is cheap insurance.

No need to pull the heads. This has been a big issue in the VW/Audi world for years and there is a common fix. You just walnut blast the deposits and bolt the intake back on. BTW, This is an every 50K procedure with or without a catch can on those models. Back to back testing, with and without a can has shown little difference in Carbon build-up. I don't think there'a any definitive info on the LT1 as to when this will need to be done. You can just be assured that it will at some point in the future.