[merlin803]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

You're right. I am being EQUALLY dismissive with fan boys who are trying to be dismissive of a legitimate, and well documented, visibility issue with OUR car.
It's not ME that is right.
It's the entire automotive industry that justifiably criticizes the documented poor visibility.
Anyone who tries to dismiss the well documented visibility issue recognized by the entire auto industry is the definition of a fan boi.
And, this is coming from a 2016 Camaro SS owner, and a admitted GM fan.

Just wow

[fastball]

You want 360 degree visibility buy a convertible and drive with the roof down all the time. You want head room buy a cargo van. You want rear seat leg room buy a Lexus LS460L.

Problems solved.

Seriously. You buy a low slung cool looking sports car with inherent faults that are to not only be expected but should be welcomed because it means the car is small and thus handles better, then complain about the very things that make the essance any sports sports car.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

With all due respect, I couldn't disagree with you more.
The choice to make the 2016 Camaro look like the 2010 Camaro, at the expense of visibility and safety is one of the most stupid decisions I have every heard. I told that to the designer's face myself.

And, the visibility absolutely IS a safety issue, as much as you want to lie to yourself.

If you consider the visibility a safety issue for you please shred your drivers license and get off the road. YOU are the safety issue. That is a fact. You should not be driving if it bothers you that much.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by fastball

You want 360 degree visibility buy a convertible and drive with the roof down all the time. You want head room buy a cargo van. You want rear seat leg room buy a Lexus LS460L.

Problems solved.

Seriously. You buy a low slung cool looking sports car with inherent faults that are to not only be expected but should be welcomed because it means the car is small and thus handles better, then complain about the very things that make the essance any sports sports car.

To be fair they didn't have to make it that way. I think it looks awesome personally.

I actually like the 70s coupe profile over the 68-69. It would give it better visibility in the long run with subtle more modern touches. Especially with the ability to make the belt line lower and the rear glass more angled to get better sight out back.

I think a lot of people here want the Camaro to appeal to a lot more people than it has.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

To be fair they didn't have to make it that way. I think it looks awesome personally.

I actually like the 70s coupe profile over the 68-69. It would give it better visibility in the long run with subtle more modern touches. Especially with the ability to make the belt line lower and the rear glass more angled to get better sight out back.

I think a lot of people here want the Camaro to appeal to a lot more people than it has.

You can thank the federal government for the high belt line. It's actually no higher than standard family sedans but with the low roof line and seating position it makes it look higher.

Small sacrifice for stellar good looks, aerodynamics, and lower center of gravity.

[Modshack]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

Typical fan boi post.
You hear something you don't like about your precious car or company, you start trying to take cheap personal shots at the poster.
Nice try.

You're so Butt Hurt it's painful. I'm no fanboy....I've had 69 cars and I can count GM produced ones on one hand...My criticism is not of you, or a refusal to acknowledge the Visibility challenges, but your purchase decision...We all make mistakes...Some more expensive than others..
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by fastball

You can thank the federal government for the high belt line. It's actually no higher than standard family sedans but with the low roof line and seating position it makes it look higher.

Small sacrifice for stellar good looks, aerodynamics, and lower center of gravity.

Yes, but with the profile it could have been fixed to a degree.

Keep in mind I am on the side that this car looks amazing.

I've just always like the other lines on the 70s models vs the older ones.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

Yes, but with the profile it could have been fixed to a degree.

Keep in mind I am on the side that this car looks amazing.

I've just always like the other lines on the 70s models vs the older ones.

Oh I know you are, just having a discussion. I think the designers tried in vain to "raise the roof" so to speak but it always killed the look and disappointed Camaro enthusiasts. Don't forget, there has been a group of Camaro die hard purists hand picked by GM design who've worked on consulting with Ed Welburne et.al. over the 5th and 6th gen designs and features/performance. They are called the Camaro disciples. You may have heard of them in the 5th gen forum. They've been part of the whole design process from day one for both generations.

[Hotrod7]

Originally Posted by Blazin383

I can appreciate what your saying, but if 360 degree clear view is important to you then you bought the wrong car to begin with. Did you drive it before you bought it? Have you ever driven a Corvette? In my opinion every Vette I've had was significantly worse than this Camaro. Maybe that's why the Camaro doesn't seem so bad to me...I'm used to worse! Doesn't seem like they squawk about visibility in the Vettes. Maybe it's just expected and therefore accepted from Vettes and other exotics.

I agree, I've owned 2 vettes one of which was a C7. Definitely worse visibility in the vette. I haven't had any problem in the Camaro.

[activepat]

Originally Posted by Modshack

You're so Butt Hurt it's painful. I'm no fanboy....I've had 69 cars and I can count GM produced ones on one hand...My criticism is not of you, or a refusal to acknowledge the Visibility challenges, but your purchase decision...We all make mistakes...Some more expensive than others..
Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

So, curious, what were the other 66? Inquiring minds need to know.

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by 20171LE

But, the visibility, blind spots, and utility are terrible and have become more noticeable and annoying the more I drive my car.
.

I just don't get it... Simple mirror adjustments eliminate all blind spots. Sure you have to get use to not being able to see the curb, but your statements sound crazy. I posted this before, but here is how I feel about it.

Also, you can't tell me I am in denial based on my subjective feedback on how I drive a car. I have no issue seeing cars coming up on me on the side of me etc. that isn't denial, that is fact from the way I drive the car. Now on the flip side, you may have issues and that is subjective to you... That doesn't mean everyone else has this problem or that it is fact everyone has this problem.

I think Number 3's post awhile back was spot on, but again it's comparative with tools vs. how people feel in the car. Sure numbers show the green house is smaller than the average car, but does that mean the visibility is shit to everyone? Nope. Again subjective. While the numbers or tools he speaks of are truth in regards to the visibility being less by the numbers, it doesn't mean the car has a visibility problem to every single person who drives it.

For him to come on here and spout that as truth/fact for anyone who sits and drives this car is a joke.

[activepat]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

I just don't get it... Simple mirror adjustments eliminate all blind spots. Sure you have to get use to not being able to see the curb, but your statements sound crazy.

Most have no idea how to drive with mirrors.

Butthurt kids.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by activepat

Most have no idea how to drive with mirrors.

Butthurt kids.

^ This. You may drop the mic sir.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

I just don't get it... Simple mirror adjustments eliminate all blind spots. Sure you have to get use to not being able to see the curb, but your statements sound crazy. I posted this before, but here is how I feel about it.

Careful, you are going to be labeled as a fan boy, because anyone who doesn't think that this car is a danger to the public at large MUST be crazy or "lying to themselves". LOL