[TSloper]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Sounded a little dead at the hit.

It does sound that way. I'm a little concerned about the increase from 4.5" to 5". I'd be really interested in seeing the throttle blade and MAP response when going from closed to fully open. There is a balance between volume and velocity. I'm not convinced yet for a close to stock application in terms of getting the most air into the cylinders the stock intake can really be beat. The MAF data provided was awesome and very much appreciated. They took the time and payed attention to the consequences of altering the design. More importantly they took the time to share their findings to help educate everyone. The next level of data to be understood is the MAP sensor. If more air is flowing it should show up in the MAP readings. The dyno numbers may be a result of just running leaner or a combo of running leaner and more air. That last sentence is in no way a dig. Just an observation based on what has been presented so far. Hopefully a bit more will be shared. I do see this intake being a significant help on larger CI builds. Again it is finding the proper balance for the application.

[BradfordCamaro]

Truly great work. Thank you for all the info.
It builds confidence in potential customers knowing the amount of work you do to make your products right.

[aa406079]

Alot of steel going into this unit.... What is the total projected weight? Or weight addition from replacing the stock intake?

[Denis]

oh wow, those prototype renderings look great. looking forward to seeing it installed.

[63falcondude]

I wonder how the pricing will compare with the C.A.I. intake.

[E-Ray]

Looks like a winner, I noticed your dyno run was with the hood open and the cover off the intake box. How much difference if any with the lid on the intake and hood down?

[Kracka]

I too would like to see dyno results w/ and w/o the airbox lid. Thanks for all the effort and data!

[Atra]

You also dyno'd with the hood up..CAI does hood closed..

[TSloper]

Mishimoto,

You mention the MAF housing will be CNC milled. What material will be used? I'm hoping not aluminum as the thermal conductivity is pretty high. A composite material would be much preferred.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by TSloper

Mishimoto,

You mention the MAF housing will be CNC milled. What material will be used? I'm hoping not aluminum as the thermal conductivity is pretty high. A composite material would be much preferred.

I agree.

[Mishimoto]

Originally Posted by 08z51c6

Awesome guys, Thanks for the detailed write up! I want mine with the black housing and tubes. Will you also be supplying a tune for the intake??

You're welcome! We won't be supplying a tune with this intake, but it would be interesting to see what a tune would do! You're perfectly safe running this kit without a tune, but you would definitely see some great gains with one.

Originally Posted by bybcous

Running "lean" over the course of the next 100,000 miles or so, what problems may happen? Will i ever have to worry about a CEL?

A CEL will not be a concern in the future. In order to make power with an intake, a byproduct is leaning the car out - which is a good thing! You want more airflow into the engine to produce more power. Our intake only leaned it out by a very relatively small amount, but it's important to note that it did. Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

Awesome news! Glad to see you tried some of the items we discussed early on with no straightener and a larger filter. Overall the info provided is fairly shocking.

Did you by chance ever test the stock setup with just a filter replacement? I know your team put a lot of work into the design of the main tube, but did your dyno results provide any insight with how a filter upgrade performed. No... not a K&N flat filter, but a dome filter like you have on your design?

Thanks! We were sure to listen to you guys and do the testing you wanted to see!

Our testing really revolved around replacing the entire stock unit as a whole, not only one part of it. The enlarged tube is a major part of our design and the development centered around improving all around airflow - not just from the filter. In fact, we saw no difference in output with our prototype sans filter. If we are able to conduct further testing on the stock unit, we can definitely see if any gains exist on the stock intake from filter removal. Hope this helps!

Originally Posted by aa406079

Alot of steel going into this unit.... What is the total projected weight? Or weight addition from replacing the stock intake?

The bulk weight of the steel components for this design come mainly from the airbox. Our current estimate is an added 6-7lbs. It's hard to tell the exact weight difference between the two systems right now because all we have is the prototype, but we will have official numbers once our final prototype is complete.

Originally Posted by TSloper

Thank you for supplying real data to help make an informed decision on our end! One of the things you will notice stock is that the MAP will steadily drop considerably towards the upper RPMs. Were you able to see an increase in MAP with your intake across the board?

It looks like another well constructed product from you guys.

Tim

Tim,

When looking at both the horsepower/torque and AFR curves, you see there is an increase in power and airflow (due to it leaning out). Based on that, you can tell we are getting an increased amount of airflow. As for specific MAP numbers, we don't have that level of specific information as of yet, but there is still more testing to be done on the production sample when we get one into our R&D facility. Hope this helps!

[Mishimoto]

Originally Posted by Daves1SS

Great job guys!! I'm very impressed with all the data you gave us. Very well done.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by lDejavul

Awesome. Cant wait to see some comparisons to the CAI. Now the fun really starts!

Thanks for all the info! Its always nice to see what these things go through in the design phase.

I'm glad you appreciate it!

Originally Posted by Tr6

Thanks a mill for all the work you guys have put into it and sharing it with us! I cannot wait till people actually start ordering theirs and test it on dynos against other brands!

All the info, work and effort you guys are putting into this platform is MUCH appreciated! Thank you guys for contributing to the forum!

We can't wait to start seeing these on some other Camaro's as well! A lot went into engineering this product so we hope to see some of you guys enjoy it soon. And thank you for the kind words!

Originally Posted by neal_zack

great job guys I wanna see a side by sid comparison with C.A.I.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Daves1SS

Great job guys!! I'm very impressed with all the data you gave us. Very well done.

Glad you liked it!

Originally Posted by E-Ray

Looks like a winner, I noticed your dyno run was with the hood open and the cover off the intake box. How much difference if any with the lid on the intake and hood down?

Originally Posted by Kracka

I too would like to see dyno results w/ and w/o the airbox lid. Thanks for all the effort and data!

In real world driving, the lid’s primary function in this design is to keep warm air away from the filter while the car is stationary. That way it isn’t sucking in any warm air upon acceleration. At speed, the intake duct will become more effective at supplying airflow to the box. We don't anticipate any power loss when adding the lid during runs on the street. I hope this helps!

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by Mishimoto

The bulk weight of the steel components for this design come mainly from the airbox. Our current estimate is an added 6-7lbs..

Instead of powdercoated steel, have you considered ceramic coated aluminum?

[Dropspeed]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Instead of powdercoated steel, have you considered ceramic coated aluminum?

From a cost stand point both aluminum and ceramic coat would increase the BOM price over steel/powder...

We all know everyone wants the "best performance" for the "lowest cost" so they have to take that into consideration and find the happy medium to sell the product.