[LesBaer]

Couple questions:
1- Are those the only two color options?
2- 6 piston SS upgrade vs. the 1LE 6 piston - are those 6 pistons in the back too?


After looking at this closer, the only thing I really want badly that we probably won't be able to get in a 2SS is the rear axle from the 1LE. I REALLY want that and the better MRC. This MRC must really be special for them to include since they could've easily added an standard race suspension for less $.

Disappointments/Potential Deal Breakers (for me at least)

1- The Recaro's in the 2nd gen CTS-V were heated and cooled, so they do exist. Why bother with MRC if you're not going to give someone cooled seats (especially if I'm stuck with a black car)?
2- No blind spot is a deal breaker for me unless I can find it aftermarket.
3- Hood wrap should be optional. I'd rather have that $.
4- Sued surfaces inside the car. This is just a personal taste thing. Also, depending on the quality of the material, it won't wear well over time from sweat and contact with the oils and dirt on our hands. Not saying this is definitely the case, but "depends".

Literally everything else you can add to the gen6 SS. There have to be PDR apps or devices out there. Having it built into the car is cool, but honestly the novelty of watching your car videos is going to wear off for me. If I was that hardcore of a track guy, I would be buying a Z51 2LT with a PDR or a used Porsche.

If you put that wheel/tire combo on a gen6 SS with the Brembo upgrade, I'd love to see what happens to that 3 second difference. I love the wheels too but we'll be able to buy those or better wheels down the road. I wouldn't be surprised either if we see carbon fiber wheels for the SS in a year.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Indydriver

Mr. Wyndham, please address this issue if you can. I didn't read all 24 pages so if you've already addressed this, please point me to the post number where it's discussed.

First, I completely get MRC for the street. Wonderful technology-wish I had it on my '14 vert. But for the track? If you are driving on the limit, you want consistency. You must KNOW beyond doubt how the chassis will respond at 10/10ths or you end up in the fence. With MRC constantly adjusting to conditions my guess would be a slightly faster ultimate lap time for a very practiced driver but a car with a very thin margin of suddenly letting loose instead of a gradual slide giving the driver a feedback zone that he's exceeding the limit.

Am I missing something here?

Yes you are. Just because the MRC has the ability to adjust quickly and has an insanely fast sampling rate, that doesn't mean that it IS always adjusting. It will maintain consistency lap after lap on a track. It won't feel like a neurotic machine looking for new and exciting ways to kill you.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Responses in blue:

Originally Posted by LesBaer

Couple questions:
1- Are those the only two color options?
1-No. The green isn't technically an option, yet, they're gauging interest. The 1LE package will be offered with every color.
2- 6 piston SS upgrade vs. the 1LE 6 piston - are those 6 pistons in the back too?
2-No. Extra unsprung weight, and an unbalanced braking system would result.

After looking at this closer, the only thing I really want badly that we probably won't be able to get in a 2SS is the rear axle from the 1LE. I REALLY want that and the better MRC. This MRC must really be special for them to include since they could've easily added an standard race suspension for less $.
MRC offered higher levels of performance and control than a standard monotube sort of setup.

Disappointments/Potential Deal Breakers (for me at least)

1- The Recaro's in the 2nd gen CTS-V were heated and cooled, so they do exist. Why bother with MRC if you're not going to give someone cooled seats (especially if I'm stuck with a black car)?
You're not stuck with black, and MRC has no direct relation to the temperature of your bottom. The Recaro seats in the CTS-V are also of a vastly different design with something like 18 different adjustments. Very different product.
2- No blind spot is a deal breaker for me unless I can find it aftermarket.
3- Hood wrap should be optional. I'd rather have that $.
4- Sued surfaces inside the car. This is just a personal taste thing. Also, depending on the quality of the material, it won't wear well over time from sweat and contact with the oils and dirt on our hands. Not saying this is definitely the case, but "depends".
I've had suede steering wheels and shifters for 5 years in my Camaros. I suppose the look and feel is subjective; but I love it. Adds a rich feel and is awesome for track service. Wipe them down every couple months...and they stay clean, and wear wonderfully. (better than the wear spots on leather, imo)

[detltu]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

Literally everything else you can add to the gen6 SS. There have to be PDR apps or devices out there. Having it built into the car is cool, but honestly the novelty of watching your car videos is going to wear off for me. If I was that hardcore of a track guy, I would be buying a Z51 2LT with a PDR or a used Porsche.

There are some PDR apps out there. I have Harry's lap timer. There are also some pretty expensive devices out there. Having it integrated into the car would be really nice though. Definitely something I want on my 6th gen and I'm excited to see it on the 1LE.

[shaffe]

So seems like a lot of people are pretty confident that this thing will hang with or beat the 350TP on a road course. It very well may, but that puts it right on the heels of the Z/28 then. Take the beating Ford out of this, do you guys that think it can beat the 350TP really think this car is going to be almost as fast the Z/28?

If it does that is a hell of an accomplishment considering how many go fast parts the Z/28 had

[Eric SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So seems like a lot of people are pretty confident that this thing will hang with or beat the 350TP on a road course. It very well may, but that puts it right on the heels of the Z/28 then. Take the beating Ford out of this, do you guys that think it can beat the 350TP really think this car is going to be almost as fast the Z/28?

If it does that is a hell of an accomplishment considering how many go fast parts the Z/28 had

You have to consider that this is a completely different platform than the 5th gen Z/28. If they made a 6th gen Z/28 I would expect it to be be much faster than this 6th gen 1LE.

[Indydriver]

Mr. Wyndham: Thank you for your detailed answer to my questions and all the others. Very informative. I greatly appreciate your insights (and patience).

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

You have to consider that this is a completely different platform than the 5th gen Z/28. If they made a 6th gen Z/28 I would expect it to be be much faster than this 6th gen 1LE.

I know its a completely different platform. I just think that if it could be nipping at the heals of the most expensive most track capable camaro for 30K less that is a hell of an accomplishment

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know its a completely different platform. I just think that if it could be nipping at the heals of the most expensive most track capable camaro for 30K less that is a hell of an accomplishment

Yes, it is and will be a hell of an accomplishment, which should come as no surprise because we were saying the same thing when Chevy revealed the Z28. How the HELL did they pull this sort of performance from this platform?

We will be saying the same thing again, as Chevy engineers kill it when it comes to cheap, nasty speed!

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by Indydriver

Mr. Wyndham, please address this issue if you can. I didn't read all 24 pages so if you've already addressed this, please point me to the post number where it's discussed.

First, I completely get MRC for the street. Wonderful technology-wish I had it on my '14 vert. But for the track? If you are driving on the limit, you want consistency. You must KNOW beyond doubt how the chassis will respond at 10/10ths or you end up in the fence. With MRC constantly adjusting to conditions my guess would be a slightly faster ultimate lap time for a very practiced driver but a car with a very thin margin of suddenly letting loose instead of a gradual slide giving the driver a feedback zone that he's exceeding the limit.

Am I missing something here?

This is not something that you need to worry about. I have put over 1,200 HARD road course miles on my ZL1 (mag ride) in the past year and a half. The mag ride is fantastic and very consistent.

One of the guys that I track with is a VERY VERY fast driver and has a C7 Z51 with mag ride.

[trackguy]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

What are the odds of us seeing another trim of this car with a higher output, naturally aspirated engine?

A 1LE exactly as they made it with a 500-520hp NA engine would be spectacular and a super fun track car.

Pretty low chance of that, I'm guessing. The gen 6 SS 1LE will already be more car than owners will be capable of driving to the limit on the track.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So seems like a lot of people are pretty confident that this thing will hang with or beat the 350TP on a road course. It very well may, but that puts it right on the heels of the Z/28 then. Take the beating Ford out of this, do you guys that think it can beat the 350TP really think this car is going to be almost as fast the Z/28?

If it does that is a hell of an accomplishment considering how many go fast parts the Z/28 had

Is there any documented times for the base GT350?...I imagine a lot of the speed out of the R version (which is the one that beat the Z/28) comes from the ridiculous tires...

Originally Posted by Indydriver

Mr. Wyndham: Thank you for your detailed answer to my questions and all the others. Very informative. I greatly appreciate your insights (and patience).

You bet!

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Is there any documented times for the base GT350?...I imagine a lot of the speed out of the R version (which is the one that beat the Z/28) comes from the ridiculous tires...


You bet!

The base not that I am aware of, I think the 1LE could handle the base 350.

There is a time for GT350 TP at Chuckwalla 2:00.82, the Z/28 got around that track in 1:58.45, and the GT350R in 1:57.87 So if the 1LE is faster than the TP that puts it right on the heels of the Z/28

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The base not that I am aware of, I think the 1LE could handle the base 350.

There is a time for GT350 TP at Chuckwalla 2:00.82, the Z/28 got around that track in 1:58.45, and the GT350R in 1:57.87 So if the 1LE is faster than the TP that puts it right on the heels of the Z/28

I see. I think that's possible.