[BradfordCamaro]

Pics of seats?

[GoneBoy]

Originally Posted by radz28

SO killer!!! I'm feeling like I'd like to see something from the rocker moldings that matches the front splitter a little bit... I feel like there is a transition my eyes would like to see isn't there, like it is an unfinished body kit. BUT... that doesn't take anything away from anything else.

OUTSTANDING!!!

You're not the only one feeling that way. Great looking vehicle overall but the symmetry seems off without a matching panel on the side of the car. I hope they're saving that feature for the zl1. : )

[prod]

I think the turbo would benefit the most from this, and match up well with the reduced engine weight. I really hope they make it an option.

[JLSuperfly]

No 4 banger 1LE?

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

If it outperforms the base GT350 (likely), with more standard interior equipment, what kind of fail does that make the base GT350 for 50K???

When was I talking about a GT350? A 1ss 1le 5th gen was 37K assuming you think it's perfectly ok to double the price of the 1le package and with the gen 6 1ss already being 37K that puts a 1le at 44K. Thats a pretty substantial price hike. I understand some of you guys think whatever GM charges for anything is an awesome value but thats a big jump.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

The V6 1LE punches higher than the Mustang turbo with PP. Heck, I'd wager money that the standard V6 would run right around (slighter worse or better) the Ecoboost PP on the track.

I don't think I'd pick up the other side of that bet because I think it would too (I'm not a big fan of any sort of forced induction). But without something to indicate that a non-1LE LT really might be as "track-able" people aren't likely to cross-shop an EB/PP against a "plain" LT or even just compare the two. Different "missions".

When I said "aimed at", it was with the expectation that the 1LE/LT would better the EB/PP by enough to clearly matter. As in not just edge out slightly but by enough to move the 1LE/LT straight to the top of my own short list if I was in the market and specifically shopping for something with fewer than 8 cylinders.


Norm

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

It wont out perform the GT350. If we are going by the last comparison tests where the GT350 was only 2 second slower than the z28

If this is 3 seconds faster than the current SS which is as fast or slightly faster than the last gen 1le then it will still be 5ish second slower around a track.

Of course I would put it 3-6 second depending on track.

I don't recall any testing where the base GT350 was tracked. It has always been the TP, or the R.

I'd say the TP is in that 3 - 6 second range per track that you speak of over the base 350.

If the 1LE wasn't down so much peak HP as compared to the GT350, I'd say with utter confidence that the 1LE is faster than the GT350...Period, and close to the TP.

Depending on what track they run, we'll see how this shakes out, but I still think the 1LE could pull a win over the base GT350.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 5th gen 1LE ran a 1:22.xx at Willow Springs with Randy Pobst. If the 6th gen SS is faster, the 6th gen 1LE should be low 1:19.xx or even 1:18.xx.

This is good information. Do we have any info on what the Z/28, or 350R, or 350TP has ran there?

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

Why can't one be a gearhead and an audiophile also??? It was a lot easier to add an a/m stereo in a 1999 than in these new vehicles I believe.

This outlook is why every car in every model and every trim is getting pushed ever more in the "luxury and features" direction and away from the essence of performance.


Norm

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Thor142

When was I talking about a GT350? A 1ss 1le 5th gen was 37K assuming you think it's perfectly ok to double the price of the 1le package and with the gen 6 1ss already being 37K that puts a 1le at 44K. Thats a pretty substantial price hike. I understand some of you guys think whatever GM charges for anything is an awesome value but thats a big jump.

You can still get a 1ss for $37 and it will run a 1LE 5th gen. Regular 1ss is a great option for those that this car is out of budget. Even tires down the line will be cheaper


I think the 1LE 6th gen will be $45k

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You need to qualify your statements. GT350TP maybe, but there's been no official times on the 6th gen SS and the GT350 base will not perform remotely like the TP package. So if this 1LE is 3 seconds faster than new SS, this is going to be a very quick car. And which track was the GT350TP 2 secs slower than the Z/28?

What I am saying is that there was a comparison or claim made somewhere that the GT350 and GT350TP were slower than the Z28. I cant remember where I saw the comment but it was said that the cars were around 1-2 seconds slower.

It depends on the track of course. I am just going off the Lightning lap times from this past year on the CAR and DRIVER VIR track.

The Z/28 ran 2:50.9

The last gen 2013 1LE ran 3:01.5

The new SS is faster than the last gen 1LE by ???? a second? 2?

If the GT350 is only 2 seconds slower at most than the Z/28 then what does that leave you with?

Again, this is using data that is available. Unfortunately we don't have any track time besides this to suggest otherwise.

I know its a completely different track though.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Pics of seats?

Its like they are intentionally skipping over these posts involving requests for pictures of the seats... Maybe they aren't allowed to? Not a final design?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I don't think I'd pick up the other side of that bet because I think it would too (I'm not a big fan of any sort of forced induction). But without something to indicate that a non-1LE LT really might be as "track-able" people aren't likely to cross-shop an EB/PP against a "plain" LT or even just compare the two. Different "missions".

When I said "aimed at", it was with the expectation that the 1LE/LT would better the EB/PP by enough to clearly matter. As in not just edge out slightly but by enough to move the 1LE/LT straight to the top of my own short list if I was in the market and specifically shopping for something with fewer than 8 cylinders.


Norm

Given the disappointing track times posted by the EB/PP at the Lightning Lap, it's a sure bet the 1LE V6 will put a second or two on it.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

What I am saying is that there was a comparison or claim made somewhere that the GT350 and GT350TP were slower than the Z28. I cant remember where I saw the comment but it was said that the cars were around 1-2 seconds slower.

It depends on the track of course. I am just going off the Lightning lap times from this past year on the CAR and DRIVER VIR track.

The Z/28 ran 2:50.9

The last gen 2013 1LE ran 3:01.5

The new SS is faster than the last gen 1LE by ???? a second? 2?

If the GT350 is only 2 seconds slower at most than the Z/28 then what does that leave you with?

Again, this is using data that is available. Unfortunately we don't have any track time besides this to suggest otherwise.

I know its a completely different track though.

VIR is a long track, lots of opportunities to make/lose time compared to Willow Springs. So not a good basis of comparison. Next month's H2H will give us the baseline on the SS. But the GT350TP or R haven't made a lap there officially last I checked.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 5th gen 1LE ran a 1:22.xx at Willow Springs with Randy Pobst. If the 6th gen SS is faster, the 6th gen 1LE should be low 1:19.xx or even 1:18.xx.

Hobbs, I'd take another look....The Willow Springs lap time mentioned of 3 seconds faster was at Big Willow....There is also another track called Streets of Willow....a lot of comparisons are done on Streets...

but just FYI I think the 1LE and SS laps were compared on Big Willow (the fast track)...

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow-springs