[kcpoloman]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So don't buy the SS. Buy an LT. Or save up your money and buy an SS in a few years. Or if your financial situation is that dire, don't buy a brand new Camaro at all, buy a used Cobalt or Impala.

Not everyone is supposed to be able to go out and buy a fully loaded Camaro whenever they want.

I agree with this. Even a new mustang GT is going to set you back 40-45k. These cars arent meant to be available for everyone. If you can afford it go for it. 45k for a mid to low 12 second car loaded with tech and a warranty is a pretty good deal imo.

[Iroc_Z28]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So don't buy the SS. Buy an LT. Or save up your money and buy an SS in a few years. Or if your financial situation is that dire, don't buy a brand new Camaro at all, buy a used Cobalt or Impala.

Not everyone is supposed to be able to go out and buy a fully loaded Camaro whenever they want.

I don't understand his point either, you can still get into a 1ss for slightly under 40k USD... the dealers even up here in Canada are all stocking fully loaded 2LT or 2SS models for whatever reason

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by shaffe

See I don't think they will lose their core fans, I am worried they catered to them to much, not changing the styling as much, not fixing the visibility, more standard equipment. I am more worried they might lose the buyer who is just looking for a sporty coupe.

Maybe I went a bit overboard with that statement, but we cant deny that the hard-to-reach price is going to put off a lot of dreamers, and buyers on a budget. I honestly think the price will be a bigger issue than the visibility when it comes to deal-breakers... having a combination of the two issues is terrible tho.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Some wouldn't have scraficed visibility if the decision was theirs during the design process. Fact is, the trade offs were weighed carefully and the choice was made by those who earned the right to decide. Stop bitching about it. Responsibility in the end is on their shoulders.

Visibility is suboptimal but the styling is awesome. The base performance, interior design and level of tech far exceeded what I thought we'd get so I'm absolutely blown away. A low 12 sec Alpha base car with Audi like interior, mag ride and HUD! Pinch me because I must be dreaming.

Audi like interior????

Not like any Audi I've owned, not even close.

As for visibility, my ONLY concern and those of you that think the visibility is ok can't seem to grasp is some people will find it a problem to the point they MAY NOT buy the car. And for me that's the problem. As I've tried to be honest and clear, GM's market share continues to fall and they sell almost no cars on the East or West Coasts. Car market share is nearly HALF of the low 16% they have nationally and that includes trucks that are around 30%. Now was the time for greatness on all counts for this car. They played it conservative and went more of the same. I'm just don't understand how anyone can say, "it's ok for me so it can't possibly be an issue" even though we keep discussing it and every review so far makes note of it. It is an issue and just because you think a back up camera ( and again use one in the rain or snow ) is sufficient for you doesn't mean people are idiots for thinking it is.

In the end, this thread is about sales. And visibility, a noted concern by many including the magazines, may lead to fewer sales than what might have been possible if GM made different decisions.

I am truly and honestly happy for you guys that don't see visibility as an issue. Just be open enough to other viewpoints and concerns of others.

[FenwickHockey65]

In all honesty, the 7th gen needs to take a radical departure from the current design. Hopefully that will bring about a fix for the visibility issue.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Audi like interior????

Not like any Audi I've owned, not even close.

As for visibility, my ONLY concern and those of you that think the visibility is ok can't seem to grasp is some people will find it a problem to the point they MAY NOT buy the car. And for me that's the problem. As I've tried to be honest and clear, GM's market share continues to fall and they sell almost no cars on the East or West Coasts. Car market share is nearly HALF of the low 16% they have nationally and that includes trucks that are around 30%. Now was the time for greatness on all counts for this car. They played it conservative and went more of the same. I'm just don't understand how anyone can say, "it's ok for me so it can't possibly be an issue" even though we keep discussing it and every review so far makes note of it. It is an issue and just because you think a back up camera ( and again use one in the rain or snow ) is sufficient for you doesn't mean people are idiots for thinking it is.

In the end, this thread is about sales. And visibility, a noted concern by many including the magazines, may lead to fewer sales than what might have been possible if GM made different decisions.

I am truly and honestly happy for you guys that don't see visibility as an issue. Just be open enough to other viewpoints and concerns of others.

I've seen the reference made a few time. Regardless, it's nice! I just wish it wasn't such a disappointment to you.

Still looking inward, we notice the analog tachometer and speedometer flank a digital screen that can be configured to show a number of different displays controlled by buttons on the small-diameter steering wheel. Mounted low in the center console are two large HVAC vents. In an Audi-like bit of UI, turning the vents’ metal bezels adjusts the temperature. A narrow row of HVAC controls and a touch screen sit above the vents. It’s disconcerting that the touch screen is canted slightly downward, presumably to cut glare, but it works quickly and features Apple CarPlay, which allows it to parallel some iPhone capabilities. There are some low-grade plastics on the top of the instrument panel that you’d never find in an Audi, but this is an altogether nicer place to be than the last Camaro. Our biggest gripe about the interior is the inability to see out of it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...al-test-review

[Nor Cal ZL1]

Visiability is not the issue. The car is marketed to a generation that is not raking in the cash yet. They also alienated to a degree those who bought the 5th gen with the redesign and shrinking of the car. Some parts are well recieved mainly from a performance standpoint, but that is mainly because the car is now smaller. The average 5th gen owner is not lining up to trade it in, so the sales need to be mainly new buyers.

[SS376]

I hope sales pick up, but this is not a good sign. When the new Mustang came out it saw a much bigger bump than the Camaro is seeing. Next month will be interesting.

For me, I can tell you that I have more or less crossed the 6th gen off my list on account of the shrunken back seat and trunk. No, this is not my daily driver, but as a roadtrip and occasional parent&gf transport car, all of the 5th gens space was needed. It couldn't afford to lose any.

[kcpoloman]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal ZL1

Visiability is not the issue. The car is marketed to a generation that is not raking in the cash yet. They also alienated to a degree those who bought the 5th gen with the redesign and shrinking of the car. Some parts are well recieved mainly from a performance standpoint, but that is mainly because the car is now smaller. The average 5th gen owner is not lining up to trade it in, so the sales need to be mainly new buyers.

Welp they pulled me in. I was a new buyer so good job by them.

[pete1077]

I skipped the 5th generation for 2 reasons. I felt the car needed to lose some weight and the biggest issue for me was the interior. I just felt it looked like it belonged in an econobox and not a $40k car. The 6th generation fixed those issues. Yeah visibility could be better but for me the pros outweigh the cons. However I'm also a car enthusiast and I am willing to overlook some things. I do feel that the general public looking for a fast rwd car will choose the mustang based on a lower price and better visibility which unfortunately could lead to a repeat of the 4th generation.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The viability complainers should try out of these if they think the Camaro is bad. No back up Camera either.

I'd like to point out, for the purposes of the price conversation - that the 5th gen outsold the Mustang last generation handily. All the while, the Mustang featured much higher rebates (at many times the Camaro had none offered), and it cost more to begin with.

Time will tell if the changes each group made to their cars for this next generation will win over the "swing" buyers. But clearly, Chevy thinks they've got the better value. Honestly...I agree - far and away the Camaro is the better car...but maybe the buying public will have different priorities?

If you look at the new car...honestly look at it, and compare the changes to the 5th gen...it's pretty much exactly what the majority of enthusiasts and customers said they wanted. Let's see if they back up their words.

[Bongos2U]

Alot of negative nellies here...I agree the 6th gen. Camaro has some issues but...Wow !!

The title of this song sums up this thread...

[chris227]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Audi like interior????

Not like any Audi I've owned, not even close.

As for visibility, my ONLY concern and those of you that think the visibility is ok can't seem to grasp is some people will find it a problem to the point they MAY NOT buy the car. And for me that's the problem. As I've tried to be honest and clear, GM's market share continues to fall and they sell almost no cars on the East or West Coasts. Car market share is nearly HALF of the low 16% they have nationally and that includes trucks that are around 30%. Now was the time for greatness on all counts for this car. They played it conservative and went more of the same. I'm just don't understand how anyone can say, "it's ok for me so it can't possibly be an issue" even though we keep discussing it and every review so far makes note of it. It is an issue and just because you think a back up camera ( and again use one in the rain or snow ) is sufficient for you doesn't mean people are idiots for thinking it is.

In the end, this thread is about sales. And visibility, a noted concern by many including the magazines, may lead to fewer sales than what might have been possible if GM made different decisions.

I am truly and honestly happy for you guys that don't see visibility as an issue. Just be open enough to other viewpoints and concerns of others.

Over 500,000 sales seem to indicate people can deal with the visibility issue.

[RenegadeXR]

After test driving a 2016 a couple weeks ago, I got my 3rd followup call from the dealership asking if I wanted to pull the trigger. I explained yet again that I just drove it out of curiosity, and that I'm still pretty happy with my 5th gen. Then, unexpectedly, the guy changed his tone to a desperate one and said, "Please sir we really need your business."

That was a bit of a turnoff. Again, people's experiences are varied, but locally, I just feel that these cars are struggling to sell. I saw more C7's on the road 3 months after production than I do 2016 Camaros. So far, I've only seen one white 2016 LT lonely wandering the streets during rush hour. And sometimes, I mistake it for a 2014 refresh out the corner of my eye. That's pretty bad.