[tripowergto]

Originally Posted by kcpoloman

Of course there are better options, point is its still functional. You might want a larger screen but over time you would get used to the three inch screen. The visibility in the Camaro is very useable. Its not like youre driving blind folded. Its just preference of what youre willing to deal with. Over time, you wont even notice it. It will be normal to you.

As both a gen5 and gen6 owner I can assure overall visibility is much improved in the 2016 despite design language remaining similar. Those that gripe are not owners or never will be. Mirrors and backup cameras are your friends.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by tripowergto

As both a gen5 and gen6 owner I can assure overall visibility is much improved in the 2016 despite design language remaining similar. Those that gripe are not owners or never will be. Mirrors and backup cameras are your friends.

Yeah. People act like they didn't improve the visibility. They did. There are a few people here who have to constantly bring it up. If you don't like it don't buy it.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by tripowergto

As both a gen5 and gen6 owner I can assure overall visibility is much improved in the 2016 despite design language remaining similar. Those that gripe are not owners or never will be. Mirrors and backup cameras are your friends.

couldn't have put it better.

If you can't adapt, then don't even risk it and just leave that Camaro on the lot for a better driver that can, and let that be the end of the visibility complaint. I adapted to my 2014's visibility within the first day, its not rocket science.

If this statement causes one less sale, then too bad... Chevy/GM could have done more to improve its visibility and silence the whiny half-blind folks who see this as a big issue... But it is what it is. I don't care either way, as long as I get mine

This dead-horse visibility complaint is making me get all belligerent... time for some Camaro therapy to relax me lol

[hotlap]

Some wouldn't have scraficed visibility if the decision was theirs during the design process. Fact is, the trade offs were weighed carefully and the choice was made by those who earned the right to decide. Stop bitching about it. Responsibility in the end is on their shoulders.

Visibility is suboptimal but the styling is awesome. The base performance, interior design and level of tech far exceeded what I thought we'd get so I'm absolutely blown away. A low 12 sec Alpha base car with Audi like interior, mag ride and HUD! Pinch me because I must be dreaming.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Some wouldn't have scraficed visibility if the decision was theirs during the design process. Fact is, the trade offs were weighed carefully and the choice was made by those who earned the right to decide. Stop bitching about it. Responsibility in the end is on their shoulders.

Visibility is suboptimal but the styling is awesome. The base performance, interior design and level of tech far exceeded what I thought we'd get so I'm absolutely blown away. A low 12 sec base car with Audi like interior, mag ride and HUD! Pinch me because I must be dreaming.

*pinch*

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

isn't that in the Chicago metro area tho? for the big cities, that may be alright, but all the smaller areas are getting little to nothing still.

Suburbs of Chicago

I don't know what part of Cali you are in, but if people want them, why not go to a dealer that has them so they can test drive them then work on dealer trade with their local dealer? That is how I would do it if I lived in central Illinois. If I had to have one, I would drive out to the suburbs, test drive one then have my local dealer do a dealer trade

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

If your dealer has 22 in stock, they have got to be a serious volume dealer.

I never thought they were that big of a dealer, but apparently over the last few years they are one of the top volume dealers in this area.

Originally Posted by avcbm

What's amazing is they all have discounts, I thought it would be months before any below MSRP deals

Yeah, they did not discount them when they first arrive, but they are now.

Here is another local dealer with 7 on the lot (6 on the lot, 1 in transit)

http://www.advantagechevbb.com/Vehic...sort=price|asc

[90503]

I went to the Find New Roads deal when it was in L.A. and spoke to one of the gentlemen there who was very knowledgeable and one of the reps....(Sorry, I can't remember who it was, and it wasn't Al O.)....

Anyway, I asked about the delay in the I-4, the strategy of sales, etc. and his reply was interesting. He explained that with the initial release and sales of the Gen6, they are indeed catering to the V-8 crowd and the enthusiasts who are knowledgeable about the Camaros....(one reason for lack of a national advertising campaign, sort of)...

Once the initial high demand for the performance and highly optioned versions has tapered off, the other models will have their day in the sun. In his opinion V-8 sales will be the highest in the first year, and for the first year only, not just because others are not available, but that in the ensuing years it will be up to the lower cost versions to carry the sales banner....

I know we will have to wait and see, but I wouldn't expect turbo 4 and V-6 models to be an addition to the numbers we see now, as perhaps V-8 numbers will lessen, and others will prop things up to keep it about the same, hopefully more...Anyhoo, that's my story and I'm sticking to it...lol...

[Jeb114]

You want to see a great commercial watch Jay Lenos you tube channel about his GT350R talk about free advertising. I belong to a Chevy Club and when we watched it, lets just say it might be a ford year. Time to trade in the ZL1.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Suburbs of Chicago

I don't know what part of Cali you are in, but if people want them, why not go to a dealer that has them so they can test drive them then work on dealer trade with their local dealer? That is how I would do it if I lived in central Illinois. If I had to have one, I would drive out to the suburbs, test drive one then have my local dealer do a dealer trade

well, sounds easy enough for you, but this is Cali we're talking about, its a huge state, and I live in the central coast ( 5 hours to SF, 4 to LA), and if you combined all the Camaros in stock within this region, there are no more than 5 as of right now... dealer trades are a bigger hassle around here.

[ChocoTaco369]

I think the Camaro is going to have a very, very tough road to hoe moving forward.

Yes, the lowliest SS Camaro will outperform the best GT in nearly every way performance-wise, but the cost gap is just gigantic. The 1SS is not what the masses want - people want HUD, fancy touchscreens, heated steering wheels, leather - and it is still insanity to me that after tax, tags and dealer fees, you're paying over $50,000 for a 2SS. You could get a new 2015 ZL1 during last year's Black Friday sale for less than a 2016 2SS. That is a real problem for the financial engineers among us.

Probably greater than 9 out of 10 Camaro and Mustang owners will never race their car, and a GT is "plenty fast enough" for most owners of both vehicles. Chevrolet put themselves in a precarious situation by pricing the Camaro well above the means of most people, and I think that's a huge mistake because the Camaro has always been the performance car for Average Joe. That is no longer the case with the Gen 6. If you're not going to track your car, you can get a much "nicer" Mustang for a lot less - and virtually no one tracks their cars.

Best of luck to Chevy, but don't expect to outsell Ford this year or any year moving forward unless something is done about the cost structure.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

I think the Camaro is going to have a very, very tough road to hoe moving forward.

Yes, the lowliest SS Camaro will outperform the best GT in nearly every way performance-wise, but the cost gap is just gigantic. The 1SS is not what the masses want - people want HUD, fancy touchscreens, heated steering wheels, leather - and it is still insanity to me that after tax, tags and dealer fees, you're paying over $50,000 for a 2SS. You could get a new 2015 ZL1 during last year's Black Friday sale for less than a 2016 2SS. That is a real problem for the financial engineers among us.

Probably greater than 9 out of 10 Camaro and Mustang owners will never race their car, and a GT is "plenty fast enough" for most owners of both vehicles. Chevrolet put themselves in a precarious situation by pricing the Camaro well above the means of most people. If you're not going to track your car, you can get a much "nicer" Mustang for a lot less - and virtually no one tracks their cars.

Best of luck to Chevy, don't expect to outsell Ford this year or any year moving forward unless something is done about the cost structure.

Bravo.

This is what I think is happeing: Chevy is no longer concerned with being the superior pony, they want to have their Camaro get recognized as a sports car, and are now looking to attack the BMW market, leaving behind the working class muscle car loving market that made them a household name. I don't expect many BMW drivers are rushing to trade in their German cars for an "American muscle car" brand. Theyre going to lose a lot of their core fans by pricing their cars so far out of reach compared to their competitors, and aren't going to gain many new ones to justify the bold move.

I may be wrong tho, only time will tell. For Chevy's sake, I better be. I would really hate to see the Camaro die again.

[Jeb114]

Look at cars.com the first 5 pages are 2SS's listed over $50.000. For a young guy with a $5000 down payment and a backwards trade which most have. Your looking at $650 to $800. a month payment. Or more if you are a risk and get a crazy percentage rate. Then figure in Insurance. $1000.00 a month to drive a car.????????????. I agree with you guys that say the car is great, but someone forgot people need to be able to afford the car..

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

well, sounds easy enough for you, but this is Cali we're talking about, its a huge state, and I live in the central coast ( 5 hours to SF, 4 to LA), and if you combined all the Camaros in stock within this region, there are no more than 5 as of right now... dealer trades are a bigger hassle around here.

Touche, but yeah 4 or 5 hours is a bit of stretch.

Amazing how different dealer trades are state to state. When we bought my wife's car it came from a dealer in MI, was a super easy process

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

Theyre going to lose a lot of their core fans by pricing their cars so far out of reach compared to their competitors, and aren't going to gain many new ones to justify the bold move.

I may be wrong tho, only time will tell. For Chevy's sake, I better be.

See I don't think they will lose their core fans, I am worried they catered to them to much, not changing the styling as much, not fixing the visibility, more standard equipment. I am more worried they might lose the buyer who is just looking for a sporty coupe.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

Look at cars.com the first 5 pages are 2SS's listed over $50.000. For a young guy with a $5000 down payment and a backwards trade which most have. Your looking at $650 to $800. a month payment. Or more if you are a risk and get a crazy percentage rate. Then figure in Insurance. $1000.00 a month to drive a car.????????????. I agree with you guys that say the car is great, but someone forgot people need to be able to afford the car..

So don't buy the SS. Buy an LT. Or save up your money and buy an SS in a few years. Or if your financial situation is that dire, don't buy a brand new Camaro at all, buy a used Cobalt or Impala.

Not everyone is supposed to be able to go out and buy a fully loaded Camaro whenever they want.