[ChefBorOzzy]

Joey.. You clearly want the Mustang. Get the Mustang.

[motorhead]

The viability complainers should try out of these if they think the Camaro is bad. No back up Camera either.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by kcpoloman

The visibility isn't that bad. Like anything you get used to it, adjust and adapt to make it work.

This is the equivalent of coming out with a new smart phone with a 3" screen and saying once you use it for a while you get used to it.

When the customer has choices, having to get used to a product is not a great selling point particularly when the key benchmark is noticeably better in this area.

The hope is the performance trade off works in the Camaros favor and for many it will.

[JoeySD]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Joey.. You clearly want the Mustang. Get the Mustang.

I'm undecided pretty much at this point. I'm not buying until the fall, so I have plenty of time !!

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The viability complainers should try out of these if they think the Camaro is bad. No back up Camera either.

No, that is by definition and design a vehicle with poor visibility. It's function requires that compromise.

But if that is YOUR benchmark then YES the Camaro has outstanding visibility.

Sadly there are a lot of performance coupes and pretty much most if not all are better than the Camaro in this respect.

It did not have to be bad like your van. In fact it didn't really need to be this bad at all. GM just chose to make it that way. And since you aren't quite getting the point some are making, this is the issue. It did not need to be bad. GM could have chosen to make it best in class. They chose form over function.

[JoeySD]

Originally Posted by Number 3

This is the equivalent of coming out with a new smart phone with a 3" screen and saying once you use it for a while you get used to it.

When the customer has choices, having to get used to a product is not a great selling point particularly when the key benchmark is noticeably better in this area.

The hope is the performance trade off works in the Camaros favor and for many it will.

well said !!

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No, that is by definition and design a vehicle with poor visibility. It's function requires that compromise.

But if that is YOUR benchmark then YES the Camaro has outstanding visibility.

Sadly there are a lot of performance coupes and pretty much most if not all are better than the Camaro in this respect.

It did not have to be bad like your van. In fact it didn't really need to be this bad at all. GM just chose to make it that way. And since you aren't quite getting the point some are making, this is the issue. It did not need to be bad. GM could have chosen to make it best in class. They chose form over function.

Agreed. For some reason Chevy did not correct this issue with the 6th gen. The reason given is that current 5th gen. users said to not fix it. Very strange, since everybody in the world has mentioned it as being an issue. Some (much) more than others.

I wish somebody would ask both Tom Peters and Al Oppenheiser why they chose to override the opinion of most people, and take the advice of a handful of 5th gen. enthusiasts.

Maybe the mid-cycle refresh will lower the beltline a couple of inches, and get rid of the "mouse ears" on the gauge cluster ? Not too much to ask, and as I have said before, it wouldn't decrease the aggressive look of the car at all.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Yup....the door opened again for re-hash of a personal agenda....oh well...

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No, that is by definition and design a vehicle with poor visibility. It's function requires that compromise.

But if that is YOUR benchmark then YES the Camaro has outstanding visibility.

Sadly there are a lot of performance coupes and pretty much most if not all are better than the Camaro in this respect.

It did not have to be bad like your van. In fact it didn't really need to be this bad at all. GM just chose to make it that way. And since you aren't quite getting the point some are making, this is the issue. It did not need to be bad. GM could have chosen to make it best in class. They chose form over function.

I completely get it. While my post was mainly a joke, in a way it wasn't. I could buy service trucks that offer better visibility, but I'm willing to compromise that for all the other things that type of service truck ,in my post, has to offer. The same could be said about the Camaro. I think one of the biggest reasons they are liked so much is because of the styling, and if some visibility had to be compromised to achieve that then so be it. I had a 2010 GT500. I don't see where the visibility was any better in any kind of memorable way. If that is someone's main sticking point, then they shouldn't buy any car like that. Too many folks come from sedans into these things and get a shock. I bought a 2012 Equinox for a shop vehicle a while back. I have a harder time seeing out of that thing than my Camaro. Good thing for me I have close to 30 years of driving large vehicles with little visibility, I know how to properly adjust and use my mirrors along with the smarts enough to drive defensively.

If they could improve visibility without affecting the looks, I would image they would have done so. You can't see shit out of a Corvette either, but I never hear anyone complain about it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No, that is by definition and design a vehicle with poor visibility. It's function requires that compromise.

But if that is YOUR benchmark then YES the Camaro has outstanding visibility.

Sadly there are a lot of performance coupes and pretty much most if not all are better than the Camaro in this respect.

It did not have to be bad like your van. In fact it didn't really need to be this bad at all. GM just chose to make it that way. And since you aren't quite getting the point some are making, this is the issue. It did not need to be bad. GM could have chosen to make it best in class. They chose form over function.

Just? Like as they fell out of bed one morning?

[Factorypilot]

Heck the new Camaro has way better visibility than my blind-spot ridden FJ cruiser. But everyone still wants to buy it from me lol.

[RenegadeXR]

Originally Posted by Number 3

GM could have chosen to make it best in class. They chose form over function.

Because making the greenhouse a little bit taller to allow some breathing space would have been sacrilege, right?

[SS376]

Originally Posted by RenegadeXR

Because making the greenhouse a little bit taller to allow some breathing space would have been sacrilege, right?

That doesn't look good at all.

[kcpoloman]

Originally Posted by Number 3

This is the equivalent of coming out with a new smart phone with a 3" screen and saying once you use it for a while you get used to it.

When the customer has choices, having to get used to a product is not a great selling point particularly when the key benchmark is noticeably better in this area.

The hope is the performance trade off works in the Camaros favor and for many it will.

Of course there are better options, point is its still functional. You might want a larger screen but over time you would get used to the three inch screen. The visibility in the Camaro is very useable. Its not like youre driving blind folded. Its just preference of what youre willing to deal with. Over time, you wont even notice it. It will be normal to you.