[LesBaer]

I just came across this and thought I'd share since it looks like a recent review that came out yesterday.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/2016-che...193014301.html

[AN0NYM0US]

I'm waiting on Motortrend video review


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[martelds]

Originally Posted by AN0NYM0US

I'm waiting on Motortrend video review


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How far behind do the video lag from the Magazine release?

[Toxicgoober]

And more whining about the visibility. I feel like literally 90% of reviews have come from people that actually enjoy driving minivans daily, and consciously choose to rent Hyundai Accents when they travel. It's as though they want every single car on the road to look and feel like a Toyota Camry.


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[LesBaer]

Well, the visibility does suck and but it's got blind spot monitoring so I don't see what the problem is. When I test drove it, the blind spots where the only area where it really would've caused a problem if there was no blind spot monitoring.

I was more annoyed with them complaining about the tilt of the nav screen...that was ridiculous because it's a good idea what they did. These guys are almost seemed annoyed that they couldn't trash the entire car so they focused on non-issues.

The one good thing they mentioned was the headroom difference with and without the sunroof. It's really annoying that you can't find a well appointed 2SS without a sunroof for sale anywhere.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Toxicgoober

And more whining about the visibility. I feel like literally 90% of reviews have come from people that actually enjoy driving minivans daily, and consciously choose to rent Hyundai Accents when they travel. It's as though they want every single car on the road to look and feel like a Toyota Camry.


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No they are from people, like me, that believe a truly great car can be everything the Camaro brings to the table ANNNNND decent visibility. It's poor, no matter how much your personal opinion that is doesn't matter to you, the visibility is poor. This isn't a Lambo or a McLaren super car. Mustang has noticeably better visibility. BMW 4 Series has noticeably better visibility.

So no, you don't need to be a Camry or Hyundai. But you should be able to do a simple head check for a lane change. And you should be able to see the stop light at an intersection. Neither of these simple driving techniques was I able to do on a test drive. Why? Poor visibility.

And the magazine guys from Car and Drive, Motor Trend, Road & Track that have all consistently criticized the car for visibility ARE enthusiasts and DO NOT prefer driving mini vans.

It's ok that you are willing to accept the trade off for styling, and it's great you loved the new Camaro enough to go out and buy one. But many people won't be.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Toxicgoober

And more whining about the visibility. I feel like literally 90% of reviews have come from people that actually enjoy driving minivans daily, and consciously choose to rent Hyundai Accents when they travel. It's as though they want every single car on the road to look and feel like a Toyota Camry.


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They are a car review site, I'm not sure why you seem so upset they point out the poor visibility. Not like they are lying it has horrible visibility and I think its worth mention in a review of the car. They also mentioned a bunch of positive things about the car.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No they are from people, like me, that believe a truly great car can be everything the Camaro brings to the table ANNNNND decent visibility. It's poor, no matter how much your personal opinion that is doesn't matter to you, the visibility is poor. This isn't a Lambo or a McLaren super car. Mustang has noticeably better visibility. BMW 4 Series has noticeably better visibility.

So no, you don't need to be a Camry or Hyundai. But you should be able to do a simple head check for a lane change. And you should be able to see the stop light at an intersection. Neither of these simple driving techniques was I able to do on a test drive. Why? Poor visibility.

And the magazine guys from Car and Drive, Motor Trend, Road & Track that have all consistently criticized the car for visibility ARE enthusiasts and DO NOT prefer driving mini vans.

It's ok that you are willing to accept the trade off for styling, and it's great you loved the new Camaro enough to go out and buy one. But many people won't be.

You can still do a head check. The blind spot monitoring covers the area that you can't see. Between the two, I didn't notice any areas that weren't covered and I paid pretty close attention because I heard all of the complaints from people. Blind spot works really well. I've got it in my car now and I'll admit that there many times where I don't even bother turning my head.

I don't know what you mean about not seeing a stop light unless you pulled way past the line and were under the light. Did you test drive the car?

The backup camera also eliminates the need to turn your head when backing up. While the visibility isn't good, it's really not an issue unless you have a phobia of technology.

[DGthe3]

Consumer reports is decent at reviewing appliances.

The Camaro is not an appliance.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

You can still do a head check. The blind spot monitoring covers the area that you can't see. Between the two, I didn't notice any areas that weren't covered and I paid pretty close attention because I heard all of the complaints from people. Blind spot works really well. I've got it in my car now and I'll admit that there many times where I don't even bother turning my head.

I don't know what you mean about not seeing a stop light unless you pulled way past the line and were under the light. Did you test drive the car?

The backup camera also eliminates the need to turn your head when backing up. While the visibility isn't good, it's really not an issue unless you have a phobia of technology.

You are making my point. Have you seen a backup camera work well when it's raining or snowy? I have and it's about worthless.

No, I wasn't pulled too far ahead to see the stop light. But with my head a 1/4" from the headliner, and stopping normally, I can't see the stop light without dipping my head. Sure shorter folks will not have this problem. But I'm only 6' tall.

And, no, the tiny porthole of a side window makes a head check VERY difficult if not impossible to do so quickly. And blind spot detection? LOL, I have that on my car now.

So by your own statements, if you need sensors and cameras to drive your car safely, you have just made the case that the visibility is poor.

Thank you!

Oh, and no phobia of technology at all. I've used it and fully understand what it does AND it's limitations. But I don't like to HAVE to use it in order to operate a motor vehicle.

Again, I love that you guys love this car so much you are willing to make the trade off for styling. But every time we have this discussion, folks start chiming in with back up camera, lane departure warning, blind spot alert. All nice technologies. But just admit the visibility is poor. No one can, with a straight face, say it isn't bad. You just don't find it to be a problem.

[13vertss]

I think people should drive a dump truck so they know what bad visibility is. Then they learn to use mirrors. I never turn my head to look what's beside me. I got my mirrors set to see right from my seat and have been doing it for over 30years and have never been in a accident turning into someone.

[Tara Martin]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

I think people should drive a dump truck so they know what bad visibility is. Then they learn to use mirrors. I never turn my head to look what's beside me. I got my mirrors set to see right from my seat and have been doing it for over 30years and have never been in a accident turning into someone.

Visibility problem solved! American Motors genius!

[hotlap]

Want to experince difficulty seeing the stop light? In Germany the light is on your side of the intersection. You get use to it. I've never noticed it being difficult to see the light in the Camaro

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

You can still do a head check. The blind spot monitoring covers the area that you can't see. Between the two, I didn't notice any areas that weren't covered and I paid pretty close attention because I heard all of the complaints from people. Blind spot works really well. I've got it in my car now and I'll admit that there many times where I don't even bother turning my head.

I don't know what you mean about not seeing a stop light unless you pulled way past the line and were under the light. Did you test drive the car?

The backup camera also eliminates the need to turn your head when backing up. While the visibility isn't good, it's really not an issue unless you have a phobia of technology.

A somewhat scary statement. The sensors for these safety features can fail like any other type of feature. To rely on them is a recipe for disaster.