[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by camaro1&6

Why?, I started this thread to give info on the A8 to potential buyers not idiots that want to bash an option of the very car they own .

And posts like yours are exactly why another Camaro owner like ME has to come in and give unbiased, educated, and accurate advice instead of fan boy garbage.

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

This new guy needs to go. Annoying is a very nice word for him.

You should be embarrassed to try to censor a fellow Camaro owner who has the right to share information and solicit information, like everyone else.
I made my polite and unbiased statement on this subject, and every Camaro owner should agree with it:
Everyone wanting a "paddle shifting experience" from the A8 needs to personally test the A8 and M6 before making their decision, especially those coming from a manual transmission and/or wanting a DCT experience when compared to a proper DCT/PDK.

[Whis]

I agree with the repeatedly bolded text but just put it in your signature if you're going to do that..

Also, how did you come up with your username?

[Cautionary tale]

[MiamiBlueCamaro]

Originally Posted by camaro1&6

With the AFM , paddle shifting manual mode, speed and adaptive driving with mode changes . Definitely the most outstanding and best decision I made when ordering. YOU Won't Be Disappointed

Yes i agree and also this A8 is better that any german tranny for the money!

[mcsoul]

Originally Posted by MiamiBlueCamaro

Yes i agree and also this A8 is better that any german tranny for the money!

Must...resist...

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

You should be embarrassed to try to censor a fellow Camaro owner who has the right to share information and solicit information, like everyone else.
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I didn't say you didn't have the right. I said you should just go. So far you have contributed nothing but your opinion disguised as "fact."

"Hey remember in 2008 when you could get a G8 GXP for low 20s."

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

Must...resist...

For the money it is.

[brutusvk]

I think you missed where he was going with that.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by brutusvk

I think you missed where he was going with that.

I probably did haha.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

Excellent !!! That is a nice start.
Now, go drive a PDK back to back with the A8 to compare them and then you will fully understand.

I have. That's why I ordered my 2016 1SS with the rev matching M6.

^This. There's so much butt hurt in this thread. I've driven PDK's, DCT's (VW, Audi, M3's and AMG's) and own a ZF auto now. I've also test driven the A8 auto and changed my order from the A8 to the manual even though I don't even remember how to drive a stick.

There is a delay from the time you click the paddle to the shift taking place. Take a turn around a bend, then down shift and hit the gas. If you don't feel the delay, you're just in denial. It's been well documented in many reviews of the Camaro and ATS-V. I also test drove the ATS-V and it that car has it as well.

The second best DCT that I've experienced other than the PDK is in the M3 and the Golf R. The S3 was ok. The DCT in the CLA 45 AMG's is horrible and I'd take the A8 over that in a heartbeat.

The A8 isn't bad, but it's also annoying. Take your foot of the gas and coast and then try to guess what gear it throws you in. With the stick, if you want to coast in N, you stay in N until you decide to change it.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

^This. There's so much butt hurt in this thread. I've driven PDK's, DCT's (VW, Audi, M3's and AMG's) and own a ZF auto now. I've also test driven the A8 auto and changed my order from the A8 to the manual even though I don't even remember how to drive a stick.

I've owned several DCTs (VW and Ford), and I find the 8L90 to provide a superior overall experience. The PDK (driven but never owned) is an amazing transmission, but there are areas where the 8L90 outperforms it.

There is a delay from the time you click the paddle to the shift taking place. Take a turn around a bend, then down shift and hit the gas. If you don't feel the delay, you're just in denial. It's been well documented in many reviews of the Camaro and ATS-V. I also test drove the ATS-V and it that car has it as well.

Again, this is because you simply test drove it and didn't really learn how to use it. Go dig around in prior threads and read up on the experience of us that have owned them a while and raced them. The lag basically disappears when driving in like you would at the track. Who cares if there is a slight lag on the street? It is still way faster than you can shift a manual. Those street manners are exactly what is missing from the DCTs.

The second best DCT that I've experienced other than the PDK is in the M3 and the Golf R. The S3 was ok. The DCT in the CLA 45 AMG's is horrible and I'd take the A8 over that in a heartbeat.

The DCT in the Golf is much better than the one in the Ford Focus, but it still doesn't make a very good daily driver, especially in hilly areas, unless you manually shift. Then it has a delay as well.

The A8 isn't bad, but it's also annoying. Take your foot of the gas and coast and then try to guess what gear it throws you in. With the stick, if you want to coast in N, you stay in N until you decide to change it.

You do realize that automatic transmissions have a neutral, too? You want to coast put it in neutral. I prefer to be in gear at all times so I can accelerate if necessary.

[MikeyCamaro]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You do realize that automatic transmissions have a neutral, too? You want to coast put it in neutral. I prefer to be in gear at all times so I can accelerate if necessary.

I'm curious myself as to what the benefit would be of coasting in neutral. It's not safe and is even illegal in most states under some conditions like on a downhill grade. I see no benefit to coasting in neutral unless you are worried about clutch wear: something else you don't have to worry about with an automatic.

Mike

[SS 1LE]

First off, let me say I have not decided fully which transmission I am going to get yet. I currently own both a manual and automatic, and am not biased in anyway (like some of you folks in here) but, many of your comments are incorrect, and seem to just try to defend your purchase/choice.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I've owned several DCTs (VW and Ford), and I find the 8L90 to provide a superior overall experience. The PDK (driven but never owned) is an amazing transmission, but there are areas where the 8L90 outperforms it.

So you are comparing it to the most economy minded one (Ford) and the most basic performance one (VW)? As for PDK, vs the A8, I've driven both many times, and while the A8 is very good, and comparable to the PDK when left in auto mode, when in manual mode there is no comparison.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Again, this is because you simply test drove it and didn't really learn how to use it. Go dig around in prior threads and read up on the experience of us that have owned them a while and raced them. The lag basically disappears when driving in like you would at the track. Who cares if there is a slight lag on the street? It is still way faster than you can shift a manual. Those street manners are exactly what is missing from the DCTs.

How does he "learn to use it"? There is no skill when it comes to pulling a paddle...The lag is inherent to torque converter transmissions. I know a few who own A8 Vettes myself, and a few track them at SCCA and NASA events with me, it's always there (the lag) to the point one traded his in for a manual. It may lesson with adaptive learning, but it doesn't ever go away. Quite honestly, if you want to shift on a track, you should buy the manual, not the automatic. As the A8 is slower if you shift it, and quicker if you leave it in D. Even GM recommends the manual for track use...

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You do realize that automatic transmissions have a neutral, too? You want to coast put it in neutral. I prefer to be in gear at all times so I can accelerate if necessary.

I think he meant if you let off the throttle and coast in the manual it obviously stays in the gear you have it in, while if you do that in an automatic in most cases it will upshift a gear or more...

[LesBaer]

I guess literally every major auto publication that reviewed the car didn't learn how to use an automatic transmission with paddles either then. The A8 isn't bad, but the input lag is a thing whether you want to admit it or not. I don't know of anyone who would want it over a manual if they planned on tracking the car, unless they were drag racing. You're so much better off not even messing with the paddles and just letting it do everything for you. They really just a toy for people that can't drive stick.

Sure you can shift it into neutral, but then you're going to have to put it back into drive - and then it will dump you back into a gear just as it would have if you didn't put into N in the first place. That doesn't solve the problem of it throwing you into a gear that you don't want to be in. You end up fighting it instead of just selecting the gear what you want to be.