[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

I said that the rev matching M6 is the closest thing that GM offers to DCT at this time after personally testing all of these transmissions for myself. I never said that the rev matching M6 is close to a DCT.
Reading comprehension is fundamental.


Here is my olive branch to all:
Can we all agree that everyone wanting a "paddle shifting experience" from the A8 needs to personally test the A8 and M6 before making their decision ????

I think you are trying to say the M6 is a better choice for road racing, which I would agree and most everyone on here does. But you used the word close in both sentences, so it left much to interpretation. And almost all of your posts have been condescending. So if that was not your intent, please be more objective when you are posting and you will be treated differently.

I know I never disagreed with the paddle lag, since it's been reported by multiple people, but I've also seen it on other 8 speeds too. So I'm not convinced some funky programming is causing it. I know personally I will not paddle shift enough for it to be a concern. I'm buying it to shift for me with the option to do it manually.

[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by Whis

From what I can surmise it all goes back to "what do you like the feel of doing" when talking about any benefit of a manual right now, unless I am missing something after reading page after page on multiple forums

This is the problem. People need go DRIVE these cars for themselves and stop relying on forums and magazines for their "opinions".

I find it to be very ironic that those making the most noise on the interwebs have never even driven the cars and transmission they babble about, let alone owned them.

Can we all agree that everyone wanting a "paddle shifting experience" from the A8 needs to personally test the A8 and M6 before making their decision, especially those coming from a manual transmission or wanting a DCT experience ????

[Whis]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

This is the problem. People need go DRIVE these cars for themselves and stop relying on forums and magazines for their "opinions".

I find it to be very ironic that those making the most noise on the interwebs have never even driven the cars and transmission they babble about, let alone owned them.

I've test driven the manual and a8.

[Whis]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

And almost all of your posts have been condescending.

With lots of assumptions too :\

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Whis

I was on the challenger forums, or some other google result site regarding this, and they were talking about the max speed anyone was captured at shifting at was around 150-160MS, from framecapturing when the foot started depressing the clutch

The paddle shifter is probably around that or less as you stated I guess

No way, that's PDK territory. More like 500ms for a pro driver, average closer to 700ms.

[GMapologists]

Originally Posted by Whis

I've test driven the manual and a8.

Excellent !!! That is a nice start.
Now, go drive a PDK back to back with the A8 to compare them and then you will fully understand.

I have. That's why I ordered my 2016 1SS with the rev matching M6.

[Whis]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

Excellent !!! That is a nice start.
Now, go drive a PDK back to back with the A8 to compare them and then you will fully understand.

I have. That's why I ordered my 2016 1SS with the rev matching M6.

What's the most popular car with this feature? All of the dealerships are far away from me so looking for easiest access

[Whis]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

No way, that's PDK territory. More like 500ms for a pro driver, average closer to 700ms.

I found it hard to believe as well, and the video was not sourced. The paddle shifters do seem to hit around that 150-160ms # though

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

Yeah I would like to meet the guy that can shift as fast as the A8.
Edit: I would disagree with the A6 comment though. I felt the A6 in my 2012 SS and CTS-V to be very blah. It did the job, but it was one of each of the cars weaker points.

In my SRX it is very good, wasn't a fan of the one in old Cruze though, gearing was crap, but then again it a little 4 banger in there. Having said that, the A8 is leaps and bounds over the A6.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Whis

I found it hard to believe as well, and the video was not sourced. The paddle shifters do seem to hit around that 150-160ms # though

Anything under 400ms is as fast as you can blink.

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[GMapologists]

Some of you guys are missing the point.
It's not only all about milliseconds in shift times.
It's about control.
Control becomes even more important in a RWD car that is already traction limited from the factory.

Originally Posted by Whis

What's the most popular car with this feature? All of the dealerships are far away from me so looking for easiest access

Google is your friend.
Porsche Boxster or Cayman is the most available PDK car. ( weak and/or overpriced, like all Porsches. )

A late model Audi S4 ($50k) has a "decent" DCT for you to experience, because getting seat time in a R8, Ferrari, or Lambo is going to be difficult.
Porsche's PDK remains the gold standard.

Hope that helps.

[Whis]

Originally Posted by GMapologists

Some of you guys are missing the point.
It's not only all about milliseconds in shift times.
It's about control.
Control becomes even more important in a RWD car that is already traction limited from the factory.



Google is your friend.
Porsche Boxster or Cayman is the most available PDK car. ( weak and/or overpriced, like all Porsches. )

A late model Audi S4 ($50k) has a "decent" DCT for you to experience, because getting seat time in a R8, Ferrari, or Lambo is going to be difficult.
Porsche's PDK remains the gold standard.

Hope that helps.

Thanks

[MikeyCamaro]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You can call it semantics, but the fact you can be denied a shift means you are not in control like a manual or even a automated manual or DCT. Essentially you gain the ability to short shift vs auto mode. Since auto mode already shifts at redline, no one is going to consistently beat that. Another good example is the fact you can hold the downshift paddle for I think 1 or 2 secs and perform a lowest gear allowed downshift with the 8L90. This allows you to skip multiple gears down, something you can do with the paddles without it taking much longer since you would have to flip the paddles several times. I don't know if the Mopar units can do that, my ZF definitely doesn't. But again highlights you are not in control, the computer is.

I get what you are saying but I also think it's a matter of perspective. The only time you are going to be "denied" a shift is when it's an impossible shift and it'd either result in an above redline or below lug/stall. This actually also happens on a manual. Try doing 90 MPH and shifting to 1st with your M6. You're gonna be denied that shift (at least initially) because the synchros are not going to be able to match that speed. Another point: would you consider motorcycle manual transmissions to be "not in control" because you have to push down or pull up one gear at a time? I don't know about the 8L90 but on the ZF, if you are in first and you double tap, you'll end up in 3rd faster than you can pull up twice with your left foot on the shifter on a bike.

Just sayin. Because there are electronics and electromechanical devices involved doesn't mean you are "not in control".

Mike

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MikeyCamaro

I get what you are saying but I also think it's a matter of perspective. The only time you are going to be "denied" a shift is when it's an impossible shift and it'd either result in an above redline or below lug/stall. This actually also happens on a manual. Try doing 90 MPH and shifting to 1st with your M6. You're gonna be denied that shift (at least initially) because the synchros are not going to be able to match that speed. Another point: would you consider motorcycle manual transmissions to be "not in control" because you have to push down or pull up one gear at a time? I don't know about the 8L90 but on the ZF, if you are in first and you double tap, you'll end up in 3rd faster than you can pull up twice with your left foot on the shifter on a bike.

Just sayin. Because there are electronics and electromechanical devices involved doesn't mean you are "not in control".

Mike

I can see your point, but banging off the rev limiter missing an upshift is one thing. You might not be able to successfully shift a manual from 6th to 1st, but I don't think the computer will stop it either, meaning damage. That won't happen with these autos. So I guess that's the point I'm trying to make is the computer has to allow it. But it made me think of another quirk with the M6, CAGS. So computer does have some control over the M6. Anyone know if the computer would prevent a bad downshift like that for the M6?