[Bongos2U]

It seems people are upset at the fact that a V6 Camaro CAN cost over 40K.
Sure...If you check every box on the option sheet. I guess people would be happy
if the available options weren't even offered on the Camaro.

Question: Why in the world would anybody want the 6-piston Brembo brakes on a V6 or Turbo 4 Camaro?? Seems like Chevy is getting dinged for even offering it as an option on non-V8 Camaros.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by FlightSoftware

Yup. Very reasonable. The only reason I went 2LT was for the heated seats, basically. lol. (well, that and the blind spot assist stuff.)

Hopefully Chevy will have the safety items like blind spot assist, etc. offered as a stand alone option on all trim levels in the very near future.

Seems like these items are must haves, and should have been made standard from the beginning, like the back up camera.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Whitespeed

Perception vs reality appears to be way off when it comes to Camaro pricing, at least then it comes to MSRP. The Mustang is obviously the direct competitor, and I've gone through the pricing and configurations for both it and the Camaro in detail. To get equivalent features and somewhat close to (but still far short of) the performance of the Camaro from the Mustang, the Mustang is very near to and in some cases, more expensive than the Camaro. Unfortunately, through my discussions on other forums, I've found this to be very difficult for people to comprehend. Basic math and apples to apples comparisons seems to be beyond the grasp of a lot of people.

The biggest difference in msrp price that I could find for similar trim levels was between a base Mustang Premium GT and a base 2SS, at $3700. But for that price difference, the Mustang doesn't come with the upgraded 19" wheels, big brakes, suspension upgrades, rear end ratio, etc, or any of the advanced tech you get in the 2SS. You have to add the $2500 Performance Package and $1700 Equipment group to the GT Premium, for an extra $4200. Even then, the Camaro will significantly outperform the Mustang in every way.

For the extra you do have to pay for the Camaro, it's an outstanding value for what you get! Sounds like getting people to recognize that may be a challenge though. I guess if they really wanted to drop the price, they could make the SS's nothing more than LT's with the V8, and then make the RS, brake and cooling package, and tech packages optional on the SS's like they do for the LT's. This appears to be the approach Ford has taken with the Mustang.

Nigel

That's a bingo !!...Your post is an oasis in the middle of a desert of mis-conceptions. Thanks.

NOTE: "That's a bingo!!" is a quote from Christoph Waltz's character in the movie "Inglourious Basterds".

[daytonagary]

Originally Posted by FlightSoftware

Yup. Very reasonable. The only reason I went 2LT was for the heated seats, basically. lol. (well, that and the blind spot assist stuff.)

Don't want any of the stuff on 2LT or 2SS on my car. heated seats, heated mirrors, HUD, blind spot assist is fine if you want a Cadillac. But I want a V8 Camaro 6 speed stick old fashioned muscle car not all the frills of a luxury car. and for 37,000 or so I will have it. To each his own.

[Number 3]

The only issue is when you start saying a $50,000 Camaro is a good value. Compared to what? Other than a Hellcat, I think that is the highest price in the segment.

The SS I priced out was a 2SS with the 6 pot brakes and automatic. $49,000. Not really a lot more than my SS and definitely better performance. Take of the brakes and go for the manual and you are now around $44,000. Much more reasonable.

GM has been doing this for a while now. Look at the Tahoe. I think you can price one of those well into the 60's. Add power step and rear seat DVD and you can hit $70,000 for an LTZ AWD. So the lower end holds a bit but the upper end climbs pretty high.

But a 2LT with RS package, automatic, sunroof, technology package (leave off the upgraded brakes) will only run you $33,400. And that is a really nice car for the money. Yes, you can check $3,500 for 6 pot brakes and a whole host of paint and wheel and stripe packages. But a really good car for far less than $40,000.

But I think the issue partly is we are getting "the last Camaro I bought was.....". Well that was either 5 years ago when a loaded 2SS was $40k or lately at the end of the year when GM was doing the 20% off which puts a loaded 2SS below ta dahhhh $40k.

So everyone that has recently or historically bought a 2SS is thinking of a much cheaper car.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The only issue is when you start saying a $50,000 Camaro is a good value. Compared to what? Other than a Hellcat, I think that is the highest price in the segment.

The SS I priced out was a 2SS with the 6 pot brakes and automatic. $49,000. Not really a lot more than my SS and definitely better performance. Take of the brakes and go for the manual and you are now around $44,000. Much more reasonable.

GM has been doing this for a while now. Look at the Tahoe. I think you can price one of those well into the 60's. Add power step and rear seat DVD and you can hit $70,000 for an LTZ AWD. So the lower end holds a bit but the upper end climbs pretty high.

But a 2LT with RS package, automatic, sunroof, technology package (leave off the upgraded brakes) will only run you $33,400. And that is a really nice car for the money. Yes, you can check $3,500 for 6 pot brakes and a whole host of paint and wheel and stripe packages. But a really good car for far less than $40,000.

But I think the issue partly is we are getting "the last Camaro I bought was.....". Well that was either 5 years ago when a loaded 2SS was $40k or lately at the end of the year when GM was doing the 20% off which puts a loaded 2SS below ta dahhhh $40k.

So everyone that has recently or historically bought a 2SS is thinking of a much cheaper car.

Well said Number 3. I think another factor is that people have seen the deep discounts that follow and have gotten burnt with those discounts destroying the resale value of the car just bought at full price. People have been trained to wait for the sale

[Jeanius]

Question

I see so many post and cant help but wonder, why exactly do so many people order through Becky? Is it simply the customer service or is she giving deals?

[Whitespeed]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The only issue is when you start saying a $50,000 Camaro is a good value. Compared to what? Other than a Hellcat, I think that is the highest price in the segment.

This is part of the mentality I find so frustrating though. What are you getting for $50,000? With a 2SS, you can get the 8 speed auto, MRC, 6 piston Brembo's and NPP for $49,555. If those features have value to you, what else can you get at that price point that comes with the base 2SS plus all of those features? A base GT350 at $48695 is barely any faster in basic performance tests, comes with very little tech, not automatic option, and you have to add a minimum $6500 package to add MRC. Now you're up to over $55,000 for the GT350, and the 2SS at $50,000 starts to look like a good value.

Then the argument usually goes something like "well, I don't care about the automatic or the MRC or all the tech and creature comforts in the 2SS. So why should I spend $50,000 for the Camaro when I can get a GT350 for the same price? The Camaro is way overpriced." Then why are you comparing the base GT350 to a 2SS with automatic and MRC!? Price out a 1SS and don't include the automatic and MRC. Now you're only looking at $41,400 for the 1SS with the 6 piston Brembo's and NPP, not $50,000! This concept gets lost on so many people. It doesn't surprise me that household debt is at record levels with thinking like this. It's basic comparative analysis.

Originally Posted by Number 3

But I think the issue partly is we are getting "the last Camaro I bought was.....". Well that was either 5 years ago when a loaded 2SS was $40k or lately at the end of the year when GM was doing the 20% off which puts a loaded 2SS below ta dahhhh $40k.

So everyone that has recently or historically bought a 2SS is thinking of a much cheaper car.

Absolutely agree!

Nigel

[AN0NYM0US]

My local dealer...

[AN0NYM0US]

Plus there was another hyper blue in the front...

[KaBoom1701]

Maybe someone should tell GM........

Just opened second plant....

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/lansing-pl...ll-new-camaro/

[DrkPhx]

^^^ Damn. That's a lot of Camaros. I do believe sales will go up in the Spring. I agree with the previous points about the typical terrible GM marketing and how much better they rolled out the C7 which seemed to generate more excitement and buzz compared to the 6th gen Camaro. Ultimately, I think the strong styling resemblance to the 5th gen may hurt long term sales unless they do a 2 year make over. Of course only time will tell.

[Factorypilot]

Aren't there a lot of 2015's mixed in there?

[laynlo15]

I think the 1ss is by far the best performance for the money. Throw some drag radials on it for the weekend and go to the track and run in the 11's, come back home put street tires on it and wax most of the competition light to light and with the A8 get 28 mpg. That's what I plan on doing and did it for under 40k with still decent options like sunroof, A8, center stripes. Just the waiting killing me now. Tough to do that with any other make or model. Yes 45 to 50k is more then most will want to spend or can afford. I think those are the ones you'll see sitting on dealers lots and last to be sold. I really hope GM is successful with this generation, if not it won't be because of performance, it will be the high cost of the fully loaded 2ss. Hopefully I'm wrong, but we'll see as sales will probably pick up in a few months when the weather breaks in the spring.