[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by pinoyscorpion951

I know this sounds funny but it depends how big you are. I'm 5'6" 150 pounds. It's easy for me to get into the footwell to access the accelerator pedal. It's literally 10 minutes to attach it to the existing harness and program it. To program it you have to depress both buttons then press down on the pedal all the way. That's it. Removing it would take even less time. If your a big guy, this is going to be a PITA to install but it's doable.

Shit. I'm 6-2, 250. Maybe I can train my 4 year old.

[pinoyscorpion951]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Shit. I'm 6-2, 250. Maybe I can train my 4 year old.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

All it is basically is a TPS sensitivity adjuster, not sure what the big deal is lol...

While the stock throttle can be a tad laggy, it's done for safety reasons. A throttle that's too sensitive can give the illusion of "more power", but can be overkill. Especially if you have to drive in snow or rain. I could mess with this on my Coyote I just sold via my tune. How much is this thing? As a tune can do this plus a multitude of other things.

But this won't void any warranties.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by 08z51c6

Good luck with that. If GM can detect the factory tune was changed and it wasn't done by a dealer they will deny any warranty claim for major mechanical failure.

I've read many stories about guys with C6 Z06 cars that dropped valves and had warranty claims denied because the car was tuned. If your dealer is mod friendly then your lucky as most are not.

Yup!

Unfortunately, OP, it isn't up to the dealer to make the call when there is a possible warranty issue like a failure on a tuned car. GM makes those decisions and if they can in any way blame the failure on a non-authorized tune... they will.

[pinoyscorpion951]

Ok guys, I had a chance to install this when I came home from work and it did take literally 10 minutes to install and program. Just for reference purposes I have the 2SS A8 NPP. Good news is that the install of this is much easier on the 6th gen as opposed to the 5th because of the location of the wires. I have small, slender hands so I was able to remove everything manually but if you are a bigger person, a flathead screwdriver would help with pushing up the red clip and removing the connector. Programming was the same as the 5th gen and took me about a minute. I mounted mine just below the controls for the HUD with hook and loop fasteners. I may change the location in the future but for now this will do. Thankfully, it wasn't raining yet so I had a good 30-40 minutes of road time alternating between surface streets and the freeway at different settings. The settings go as follows: SP0-SP9 adjusts the throttle sensitivity and is controlled by button B. Then there is ECO mode that suppresses the stock throttle sensitivity and is controlled by button A. I can't comment on ECO mode because I didn't get a chance to try it. When I had my 5th gen 1LT, I kept it at SP9 all the time unless there was rain. Depending on how wet road conditions were, I would dial it back down to between SP3-SP5 in wet weather and it still was safe to operate in that mode without too much wheel spin. SP9 with the 455 horsepower and 455 pound feet of torque of the LT1 engine is absolutely insane and I would definitely not recommend you stay at that setting unless you have a death wish. I did a launch on an empty back road at that setting and my car went sideways really quick. Scared the bejeezus out of me. I think SP5 is the max setting that you would want for the V8. The V6 guys might have better luck with the higher settings but the back end begins go crazy with the V8 even with traction control on. On SP5 and in track mode, the car just flies with a light tap of the pedal. There is absolutely no dead spot anymore. The passing power of this car stock was already impressive but on the highway with the TC at SP5, it is absolutely epic. On the surface streets, taking a hard turn and then punching it is just amazing. I switched to different sensitivity settings on the fly and it was seamless. The one thing that I noticed now also is that the NPP exhaust sounds so much more meaner with this. I had mentioned in another thread that I thought the NPP exhaust didn't sound loud and aggressive enough for me. Well this woke it up by several decibels. I was hearing pops and gurgles from it that I hadn't heard before. Is this every bit as fun as it was on my 5th gen V6? Without hesitation yes! No CEL's and no issues in the 30-40 minutes I drove with it.

[Captain Canada]

Definitely getting this. Just gotta find a seller in Canada

[LesBaer]

This thing seems cool, but it's kind of a one trick pony. Back in 2012 or 13 I bought a Diablo Trinity for my Charger. It also supported GM and Ford cars. I checked their site and they haven't put out anything for the 2016 Camaro yet, but the 2015's are there and I'd wager the 16's will be there very soon.

For those unfamiliar with a Diablo Trinity, it allows you to load canned tunes for 91 or 93 octane gas and change a ton of things (including throttle response, shift firmness, fan speeds, adjustments for CAI, top speed limiter, etc.). It stores your original factory settings and then you can just plug it back in and flash it back before heading to the dealer. 99% of dealers can't tell that you did anything to the car and there's nothing overly aggressive or dangerous to the car there anyway. The only thing they could possible see is the number of times the computer's been flashed. The whole process takes 2 minutes to do in my Charger and then you unplug it and put it away. No extra hardware sitting in your car.

Even if you get a custom tune, there's gotta be something out there by now that you can use to store and flash back to your stock tune before heading to the dealer.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

All it is basically is a TPS sensitivity adjuster, not sure what the big deal is lol...

While the stock throttle can be a tad laggy, it's done for safety reasons. A throttle that's too sensitive can give the illusion of "more power", but can be overkill. Especially if you have to drive in snow or rain.

I'm with you. Fly by wire throttle is cool in that is allows you to dial in throttle response to make a car/truck drive in the manufacturers desired manner. However, it can be overdone. Specifically I have noticed this on 4.0L Nissan Xterras and Frontiers. They are only rated at 265HP but the throttle response is turned up to much from the manufacturer. I daily drive an Xterra and at first it felt great. Made the truck feel more powerful and torquey than advertised, but after about a week this gets old. It's very hard, but not impossible, to drive it smoothly. Whenever my fiancee drives it she accelerates hard from every stop unintentionally. Whenever I drive her Elantra, I pull away from the light like a grandma after a 5 second delay, treating the throttle like the Xterra. Especially when its in eco mode!

Frankly, I see this as a redundant modification to the gen6 as the throttle response should be tuneable by adjusting driving modes. I would hope that the car set to track mode should up the sporty throttle response enough. I wonder if (similar to the individual adjustability of sound management) you can individually adjust the engine setting to track? I wonder if setting that as high as possible in all modes could replicate a similar feel to the vitesse.

That being said there is nothing that I am bashing about this mod, it just won't be a necessity for me once I purchase my Camaro. I would trade off an overload of throttle response at "tip in" for a easier throttle modulation. If I apply 5% throttle to the pedal, I want 5% throttle plate opening not 5%/25% to increase the sensation of more power. If I want the car to go faster I'll apply more throttle.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Both my Chevrolet and Ford dealers are mod friendly. I blew the rear on my Mustang, and flatbedded the thing to the dealer with a full aftermarket suspension. The techs just asked how I liked the parts and installed a full new rear diff lol.

But if you get a hard time, there is the Mag-Moss warranty act. They can't deny all coverage simply due to a tune. Most just don't bother to fight, but my friend did and his lawyer got him the coverage. Thankfully I have good dealers...

The way I understand it, it is a limited powertrain warranty and they specifically state modifying the PCM will void it. So MM will not protect you in this case since the warranty is limited by the terms. Number 3 is the one who has experience with this. Also an official note (posted on Camaro5) was sent out to all the service techs about steps to take when PCM has been modified outside of warranty work. If your dealer is cool with it, then more power to you. But it is definitely not policy.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Also an official note (posted on Camaro5) was sent out to all the service techs about steps to take when PCM has been modified outside of warranty work.

Ford sent out the same thing in regards to the Mustang. Key is to have a good dealer...thankfully I do for Ford and Chevrolet. Plus, good techs know that a simple tune isn't going to be the cause of every failure. Heck, in some cases a good tune is better then what comes on it. Like in regards to the coyote motors having issues with cylinder #8 getting too hot under certain conditions, a good tune can protect it better with better parameters...

Originally Posted by LesBaer

This thing seems cool, but it's kind of a one trick pony. Back in 2012 or 13 I bought a Diablo Trinity for my Charger. It also supported GM and Ford cars. I checked their site and they haven't put out anything for the 2016 Camaro yet, but the 2015's are there and I'd wager the 16's will be there very soon.

For those unfamiliar with a Diablo Trinity, it allows you to load canned tunes for 91 or 93 octane gas and change a ton of things (including throttle response, shift firmness, fan speeds, adjustments for CAI, top speed limiter, etc.). It stores your original factory settings and then you can just plug it back in and flash it back before heading to the dealer. 99% of dealers can't tell that you did anything to the car and there's nothing overly aggressive or dangerous to the car there anyway. The only thing they could possible see is the number of times the computer's been flashed. The whole process takes 2 minutes to do in my Charger and then you unplug it and put it away. No extra hardware sitting in your car.

Even if you get a custom tune, there's gotta be something out there by now that you can use to store and flash back to your stock tune before heading to the dealer.

The time stamps show more then you think. Not to mention they shouldn't be there...basically if you tune your car you have to possibly expect warranty issues. I have good luck with my dealers, but I am aware there could be a price to pay to play...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by pinoyscorpion951

The one thing that I noticed now also is that the NPP exhaust sounds so much more meaner with this. I had mentioned in another thread that I thought the NPP exhaust didn't sound loud and aggressive enough for me. Well this woke it up by several decibels. I was hearing pops and gurgles from it that I hadn't heard before.

I really don't see how this is possible? I think the extra throttle response may be tricking you into thinking it's louder since it is more aggressive of a setting...

Interesting device none the less, I will have to look into it more after I get my car.

[pinoyscorpion951]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

I really don't see how this is possible? I think the extra throttle response may be tricking you into thinking it's louder since it is more aggressive of a setting...

Interesting device none the less, I will have to look into it more after I get my car.

Possibly. I only had about 40 minutes of drive time with it but the exhaust note was definitely different in a good way. I have to put it back to the stock setting SP0 because it will be raining here for the next 3 days. When the weather clears, I'll play with the settings a little more.

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by pinoyscorpion951

Possibly. I only had about 40 minutes of drive time with it but the exhaust note was definitely different in a good way. I have to put it back to the stock setting SP0 because it will be raining here for the next 3 days. When the weather clears, I'll play with the settings a little more.

How did you get ahold of them to sell you the device? I called and emailed... nothing :(

[ussj4brolli]

Wonder how this will affect my v6. Maybe fix the paddle lag, too?

Will this render my mode selection useless? (snow sport and tour). I use the snow a lot