[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Imp

It's like it's a black art to some. Mystifying. Doing your own brakes and shock/strut work is probably the easiest thing to do to cars, and you can save a lot of money (and it doesn't have to take long either).

A strut has three bolts on the top, and one on the bottom with a long bolt, and one holding the brake line. Can you take off a wheel? Then you can swap out your suspension. Unless you have a medical condition preventing you, (or you live in an HOA governed community, but that one is your own fault) you should do it yourself.

Powertools not needed. Hand tools can get the job done just as well.

--kC

I agree 100%, and do all my own work, but I think many are just too afraid to tackle something like this on their own...crazy as you can do what is probably a what, $200 install for free, and feel great when it's done that you did it yourself.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

- Not necessarily that much for good coilovers, and you could also go the less expensive route of good struts/shocks/springs.

Everything you wrote is great, but this point is where I have to disagree.

Your definition of good coilovers and my definition of good coilovers are obviously quite different (on par with the ongoing discussion if one needs MRC or not).

A "good" coilover suspension costs more than $1700. Heck, to me, a good double adjustable coilover suspension will be north of $3k-$5k (Koni, Bilstein) when all is said and done. "Great" will get you in the $6k-$10k range (Moton, et. al.). I know quite a few cars where the shocks cost more than 3x the car.

"Street" (i.e. mad tyte tunerz) coilovers that only adjust rebound at preset values are in the $1500 range. I do not call those good coilovers. Not even in the same ballpark. Good track ones? Not at all. Nope. Nopenopenopenope.

--kC

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

You keep talking country roads and potholes and bumps. I was talking about on track performance. What tracks to you drive that are bumpy and full of pot holes? MRC helps on the street as I said, but on track (which 99% of the time is smooth) it doesn't aid in times per say. If you planned on tracking a lot, I would pass on the MRC and do coilovers as that will yeild the best results. Many of the Corvette guys who run the NASA events have removed their MRC and gone this route as well. But do as you wish...that's why we have choices.

Even "smooth" tracks are bumpy. Heck, just running up on the candy stripe at can jar the heck out of you. MRC does even it out.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by KaBoom1701

In fact you are going to see this in the new 6th Gen 2SS with the MRC option.

Lets not forget almost every mag is saying the new 6th Gen with mag ride out performs the current 5th Gen 1LE.....

Sounds like it outperforms 5th gen 1LE without it as well.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Imp

Everything you wrote is great, but this point is where I have to disagree.

Your definition of good coilovers and my definition of good coilovers are obviously quite different (on par with the ongoing discussion if one needs MRC or not).

A "good" coilover suspension costs more than $1700. Heck, to me, a good double adjustable coilover suspension will be north of $3k-$5k (Koni, Bilstein) when all is said and done. "Great" will get you in the $6k-$10k range (Moton, et. al.). I know quite a few cars where the shocks cost more than 3x the car.

"Street" (i.e. mad tyte tunerz) coilovers that only adjust rebound at preset values are in the $1500 range. I do not call those good coilovers. Not even in the same ballpark. Good track ones? Not at all. Nope. Nopenopenopenope.

--kC

You don't need to spend that much for good coilovers necessary. I have Pfadt coilovers on my C5 Z06 which is mainly just used for autocross and occasional time attack days. If I recall the set cost me just under $2000 and they work amazingly well and have help up perfectly over the past few years. I had the car professionally set up and it's handles like it's on rails. I am not a pro, but have won and top three'd my class in various events with them many times, so I can't complain...I like them.

[KaBoom1701]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Sounds like it outperforms 5th gen 1LE without it as well.

Good point.

I think the power to weight ratio is really in favor of the 6th Gen.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

on my C5 Z06 which is mainly just used for autocross and occasional time attack days....

Yes, they are 'good' for you. Great that you like them. But when you say that your 'good' should be 'good enough' for everyone else, I draw a line in the sand. "Good" for you, may not be "good" to me or others, just like your declaring that MRC isn't good enough for those that don't align with your view of 'good'.

I am not a pro, but have won and top three'd my class in various events

Cool! Me too. Who (club) do you run with? Ever been to Nationals? If not, why not? I have quite a few times and it's a BLAST! (People who know me would say I'm behaving with this line of discussion instead of the usual way it goes, so I'm trying to behave)

--kC

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Imp

Yes, they are 'good' for you. Great that you like them. But when you say that your 'good' should be 'good enough' for everyone else, I draw a line in the sand. "Good" for you, may not be "good" to me or others, just like your declaring that MRC isn't good enough for those that don't align with your view of 'good'.

Understandable, but for 99% of people who will track the new SS, (which let's be honest, won't be that big of a number) something like Pfadt coilovers are more then they will ever need, or get to their limits with and will give even more fantastic results then the car is already capable of. Many pro teams run their product, and in all honesty you are the only person I have ever heard knock them. If you feel the need to drop $10,000 on coilovers, the SS is the wrong car to be doing that with.

Originally Posted by Imp

Cool! Me too. Who (club) do you run with? Ever been to Nationals? If not, why not? I have quite a few times and it's a BLAST! (People who know me would say I'm behaving with this line of discussion instead of the usual way it goes, so I'm trying to behave)

--kC

Most events are regional that I go to. There are autocross events in the Jaguars stadium parking lot I do, as well as time attack events at one of the large police training grounds that has grown to 150 plus cars. I have also ran at Daytona and Sebring during events run by the Audi club, who allows all makes to attend. I have not done as many events lately as a growing family has taken my priority. I have been to the Runoffs a few times, but as a crew member. I actually have gotten more into drag racing, as it's not to far to two tracks, and that is something I can do at night that doesn't involve the whole day and having to trailer the car with extra sets of tires. But I use my Mustang for that...which is what will be replaced by a new Camaro down the line...

[Imp]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

and in all honesty you are the only person I have ever heard knock them. If you feel the need to drop $10,000 on coilovers, the SS is the wrong car to be doing that with.

Never said that one needs to drop $10k for a good suspension.

Again, your definition of good and mine are different in the same way that your definition of good and what someone would consider MRC is. All I'm saying is there is no one "good". What is "good" for you may not be good, (or be too rough, etc...) for someone else's needs.


--kC

[Tr6]

No way would I buy a vehicle without MRC when it is available. Such a godly system.

[pdoherty972]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

You keep talking country roads and potholes and bumps. I was talking about on track performance. What tracks to you drive that are bumpy and full of pot holes? MRC helps on the street as I said, but on track (which 99% of the time is smooth) it doesn't aid in times per say. If you planned on tracking a lot, I would pass on the MRC and do coilovers as that will yeild the best results. Many of the Corvette guys who run the NASA events have removed their MRC and gone this route as well. But do as you wish...that's why we have choices.

Just a friendly note since this is the second time I've seen this in this thread. The phrase is "per se".

[Imp]

Originally Posted by Tr6

No way would I buy a vehicle without MRC when it is available. Such a godly system.

That answers that question.

Can you get a weight on your car when you get a chance?

Already got a 1SS, non-MRC, 7/8 tank of fuel it came in at 3668.

I'm building a spreadsheet.

--kC

[BahamaTodd]

Originally Posted by Tr6

No way would I buy a vehicle without MRC when it is available. Such a godly system.

Have you taken it over an uneven surface to see how much of a difference it makes?

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by Imp

That answers that question.

Can you get a weight on your car when you get a chance?

Already got a 1SS, non-MRC, 7/8 tank of fuel it came in at 3668.

I'm building a spreadsheet.

--kC

I am planning on doing that sometime this week! Full tank of gas as well.

Originally Posted by BahamaTodd

Have you taken it over an uneven surface to see how much of a difference it makes?

Driving through Oklahoma is a better test to the suspension than the GM proving grounds, trust me!!!!!!! Tour mode is actually more comfortable with bumps and uneven surfaces than my 09 F150 supercrew cab. I tossed it on sport and track mode to test differences, it was phenomenal. There is a MASSIVE difference from rough to smooth.