So Much Hate

dragonZ28 · 10-23-2015, 05:56 PM

Why so much hate for this car from some people? It's incredible at the amount of butthurt going around right now, and it shows - bad.

I see some of current 5th Gen owners hating on it when it does all performance metrics better. I am not saying this applies to everyone, but there is a common theme when a company redesigns a car... There is a segment of the previous gen owners rationalize their ownership of the "old" product. The truth is, you can actually like both, and not have to purchase another. I have seen this with Corvettes, Camaros, and Mustangs; the story always plays out the same. This is not a knock on the 5th gen - that car, to me, is fantastic, and we loved ours.

Also, people doubted the performance would be as good as GM hinted at. Then when all reviews are pretty unanimous, people refuse to believe them saying things such as:

"GM buys reviewers"
"GM gave the reviewers ringers to tip sales"
"Reviewers are GM biased"
etc

Here's the thing about 1/4 mile numbers... Yes, the 5.0 can run 12.6s stock. Some may even be faster than that. The average is probably 12.7-12.9 range. When C&D or R&T run 12.8, or 12.9 in the 5.0 compared to the Camaro's 12.3 or 12.4, there are Mustang owners that go into an nasty rage because they know a guy on the internet that went 12.5 stock. First off, you're assuming too much when you say this. Yes, there will always be people out there that outperform intial magazine tests. However, this will also apply to the Gen 6 Camaro. I promise that people will break into the 11s stock. Not going to happen for all, but some will - then everyone will claim the new Camaro runs 11s when most will not do this in stock form. I would also like to say, for the record, I owned a 2011 GT Premium for 4 years. I know that the 5.0 is a capable platform.

Also, on a final note to end my book, just because someone at your local dragstrip says, "it's stock", doesn't make it true. I don't care if it's your best friend. I used to participate in the local racing scene, and I can testify first hand that everyone is in a secret competition to be the fastest, and not telling the truth about mods, and trying to hide mods, and trying to deceive are all part of the game. There is a guy on the C7 fast list running bottom 11s "stock". Do you believe that? I don't. No matter what the guy says, or how hard he professes it. I wish more people would use their heads and just appreciate performance regardless of the brand. When the horsepower wars kick it up, we all win.

But, in the end, haters gonna hate. Haters make us famous.

mcsoul · 10-23-2015, 06:03 PM

People are passionate about cars. It's pretty much as simple as that. They just can't wait to see a video of their favorite car beating the gen 6 Camaro in a race. Won't matter the circumstances, it's a win. If you line up next to someone and they are willing to race, you will either win or lose, with this gen 6 SS, most of the time it's going to win, and that ruffles feathers.

amerhash28 · 10-23-2015, 06:15 PM

Its not just about cars buddy this hating thing is about everything.cars,phones,TVs,etc....
The fight between camaro and mustang guys,apple and android guys,its all the same.but when it comes about older version owners its another story,specially if the someone buys something and the new version of it gets revealed few days later.oh boy,the hate and anger is terrible(reminds me of the time when my brother got his galaxy s4 and the next galaxy note was revealed a week later.lol)

dragonZ28 · 10-23-2015, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by amerhash28

Its not just about cars buddy this hating thing is about everything.cars,phones,TVs,etc....
The fight between camaro and mustang guys,apple and android guys,its all the same.but when it comes about older version owners its another story,specially if the someone buys something and the new version of it gets revealed few days later.oh boy,the hate and anger is terrible(reminds me of the time when my brother got his galaxy s4 and the next galaxy note was revealed a week later.lol)

Oh I get that. Xbox vs PlayStation, Apple vs Samsung, Ford vs Chevy, so on and so forth. I honestly think the worst are the people who argue ammo calibers. Google 9mm vs .45, and you will see the most arguing of all time. It's hysterical.

SPCBA · 10-23-2015, 06:23 PM

The new car performance is amazing. Car companies do buy reviews, with that said even notoriously hard on Chevy/GM reviewers and media are saying good stuff.

New camaro gonna put my car to shame with similar mods.

To your caliber of ammo reference, I wish I wasn't forced to deploy with 9mm by my federal government. Would have much rather have had he .45 for my sidearm.

amerhash28 · 10-23-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonZ28

9mm vs .45, and you will see the most arguing of all time. It's hysterical.

I just don't get it . they're both designed to kill and both will probably do the job properly

so why bother with discussing it?when it comes about cars or phones there is a lot to discuss but ammo????really

dragonZ28 · 10-23-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by amerhash28

I just don't get it . they're both designed to kill and both will probably do the job properly

so why bother with discussing it?when it comes about cars or phones there is a lot to discuss but ammo????really

Yep, it gets into the abyss of stopping power vs capacity. It is a blackhole of back and forth. But, either to the right spot is lights out.

Whis · 10-23-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonZ28

Oh I get that. Xbox vs PlayStation, Apple vs Samsung, Ford vs Chevy, so on and so forth. I honestly think the worst are the people who argue ammo calibers. Google 9mm vs .45, and you will see the most arguing of all time. It's hysterical.

I'm a gun guy and I have to tell you this is wrong.

Blind Brand worship is for incredibly stupid people. Calibers aren't really tied to one company.

qcman · 10-23-2015, 06:42 PM

No hate from me I think it is pretty sweet overall. I am unsure yet on some of the cosmetic aspects but will decide when I see it for real. With that said I'll be keeping my 5th Gen in large part that I'm not going upside down for 50 HP by about $35,000 as in Canada this car would likely push 60K in a trim similar to what I have now. I rarely use the car I have now enough so while it would be awesome I just can't justify the costs... If i didn't have mine now perhaps.... So its not about me justifying anything just a personal choice.

dragonZ28 · 10-23-2015, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Whis

I'm a gun guy and I have to tell you this is wrong.

Blind Brand worship is for incredibly stupid people. Calibers aren't really tied to one company.

It isn't company vs company for the ammo - it's 9mm guys vs .45 guys. If you want company vs company hilarity in the gun forums, try Sig Sauer vs Beretta, or more specifically, M9(92FS) vs p226. This fanboy crap is everywhere.

dragonZ28 · 10-23-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by qcman

No hate from me I think it is pretty sweet overall. I am unsure yet on some of the cosmetic aspects but will decide when I see it for real. With that said I'll be keeping my 5th Gen in large part that I'm not going upside down for 50 HP by about $35,000 as in Canada this car would likely push 60K in a trim similar to what I have now. I rarely use the car I have now enough so while it would be awesome I just can't justify the costs... If i didn't have mine now perhaps.... So its not about me justifying anything just a personal choice.

I completely understand that logic. As I said, this doesn't apply to everyone, but it absolutely does apply to some people. It just doesn't make sense.

As a fan of the Camaro, Corvette, and Mustang, I would hope that every iteration had a performance increase and tech increase.

The only real complaint I understand are the bundles you're forced to purchase if you like only a couple pieces of it. I remember in the 4th gens, leather was an a la carte option for $500. If you want leather now, you have to buy a trim level that bumps the price by $5,000. It's insanity. I guarantee many 1SS owners would want leather for $500-$1,000 extra.

mcsoul · 10-23-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Whis

I'm a gun guy and I have to tell you this is wrong.

Blind Brand worship is for incredibly stupid people. Calibers aren't really tied to one company.

Don't tell me you shoot Savage's

We all know Remington 700's and Tikka/Sako's rule

Whis · 10-23-2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonZ28

It isn't company vs company for the ammo - it's 9mm guys vs .45 guys. If you want company vs company hilarity in the gun forums, try Sig Sauer vs Beretta, or more specifically, M9(92FS) vs p226. This fanboy crap is everywhere.

ya ya I get it but!!! Being loyal to a brand is wayyyyyyyyyy different than being loyal to a specific caliber. Brands get worse, better, etc. Calibers stay the same for the most part, assuming the load type (hollowpoint, roundtip, etc) is the same

Whis · 10-23-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mcsoul

Don't tell me you shoot Savage's

We all know Remington 700's and Tikka/Sako's rule

I was going to get a savage as a real cheap hunting gun, may still do it. Enough derailing tho sorry guys

10-23-2015, 05:56 PM	#1
dragonZ28 Drives: 2001 T/A, 2010 2SS/RS, 2006 Z06 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,426	So Much Hate Why so much hate for this car from some people? It's incredible at the amount of butthurt going around right now, and it shows - bad. I see some of current 5th Gen owners hating on it when it does all performance metrics better. I am not saying this applies to everyone, but there is a common theme when a company redesigns a car... There is a segment of the previous gen owners rationalize their ownership of the "old" product. The truth is, you can actually like both, and not have to purchase another. I have seen this with Corvettes, Camaros, and Mustangs; the story always plays out the same. This is not a knock on the 5th gen - that car, to me, is fantastic, and we loved ours. Also, people doubted the performance would be as good as GM hinted at. Then when all reviews are pretty unanimous, people refuse to believe them saying things such as: "GM buys reviewers" "GM gave the reviewers ringers to tip sales" "Reviewers are GM biased" etc Here's the thing about 1/4 mile numbers... Yes, the 5.0 can run 12.6s stock. Some may even be faster than that. The average is probably 12.7-12.9 range. When C&D or R&T run 12.8, or 12.9 in the 5.0 compared to the Camaro's 12.3 or 12.4, there are Mustang owners that go into an nasty rage because they know a guy on the internet that went 12.5 stock. First off, you're assuming too much when you say this. Yes, there will always be people out there that outperform intial magazine tests. However, this will also apply to the Gen 6 Camaro. I promise that people will break into the 11s stock. Not going to happen for all, but some will - then everyone will claim the new Camaro runs 11s when most will not do this in stock form. I would also like to say, for the record, I owned a 2011 GT Premium for 4 years. I know that the 5.0 is a capable platform. Also, on a final note to end my book, just because someone at your local dragstrip says, "it's stock", doesn't make it true. I don't care if it's your best friend. I used to participate in the local racing scene, and I can testify first hand that everyone is in a secret competition to be the fastest, and not telling the truth about mods, and trying to hide mods, and trying to deceive are all part of the game. There is a guy on the C7 fast list running bottom 11s "stock". Do you believe that? I don't. No matter what the guy says, or how hard he professes it. I wish more people would use their heads and just appreciate performance regardless of the brand. When the horsepower wars kick it up, we all win. But, in the end, haters gonna hate. Haters make us famous. Last edited by dragonZ28; 10-23-2015 at 08:15 PM.

10-23-2015, 06:23 PM	#5
SPCBA Drives: pleather and Chiclets Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: a line somwhere Posts: 4,206 View My Garage	The new car performance is amazing. Car companies do buy reviews, with that said even notoriously hard on Chevy/GM reviewers and media are saying good stuff. New camaro gonna put my car to shame with similar mods. To your caliber of ammo reference, I wish I wasn't forced to deploy with 9mm by my federal government. Would have much rather have had he .45 for my sidearm. __________________ the power by www.cunningham-motorsports.com the brakes by www.RacingBrake.com

10-23-2015, 06:03 PM	#2
mcsoul Drives: Want a gen 6 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: 75089 Posts: 1,032	People are passionate about cars. It's pretty much as simple as that. They just can't wait to see a video of their favorite car beating the gen 6 Camaro in a race. Won't matter the circumstances, it's a win. If you line up next to someone and they are willing to race, you will either win or lose, with this gen 6 SS, most of the time it's going to win, and that ruffles feathers.

10-23-2015, 06:15 PM	#3
amerhash28 Drives: camaros in his dreams Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: dubai,UAE Posts: 512	Its not just about cars buddy this hating thing is about everything.cars,phones,TVs,etc.... The fight between camaro and mustang guys,apple and android guys,its all the same.but when it comes about older version owners its another story,specially if the someone buys something and the new version of it gets revealed few days later.oh boy,the hate and anger is terrible(reminds me of the time when my brother got his galaxy s4 and the next galaxy note was revealed a week later.lol)

10-23-2015, 06:42 PM	#9
qcman Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS RDP Tuned L99 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada eh? Posts: 1,889	No hate from me I think it is pretty sweet overall. I am unsure yet on some of the cosmetic aspects but will decide when I see it for real. With that said I'll be keeping my 5th Gen in large part that I'm not going upside down for 50 HP by about $35,000 as in Canada this car would likely push 60K in a trim similar to what I have now. I rarely use the car I have now enough so while it would be awesome I just can't justify the costs... If i didn't have mine now perhaps.... So its not about me justifying anything just a personal choice.

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