Does the '16 officially antiquate the classic muscle car?

SpookShow'84 · 10-23-2015, 10:20 AM

This new Camaro is such a large step forward in every respect of performance. It has reached a level now that even guys with enough skills to fabricate just about whatever modifications they want to a classic muscle car, that most still won't be able to match it without paying more than the '16 1SS sticker price.

So here is the question. Is a LS7 Chevelle, Hemi 'Cuda, or Mach 1 Mustang even cool anymore? Big, slow, and heavy, without any modern conveniences. Are they purely just for museum pieces now without legitimate street credibility?

newb · 10-23-2015, 10:32 AM

I real car guy will always love and respect a big, loud, snarling, growling classic. Cars exceeded the performance and comfort of the classics a long time ago. Most family sedans are faster and handle better than most classic muscle cars in stock form. Even well built muscle car only runs 12 or 13 second quarters (excluding of course the drag setups. I'm talking average street car). So as man of us often say, its not about being the fastest. Modern cars will never be as cool as a big block Chevelle or a cherry Impala.

KMPrenger · 10-23-2015, 10:41 AM

Classic cars are definitely still cool, and always will be. But I think trying to compare the two is just a lost cause. The only answer is to appreciate both for what they are.

Cam 6 · 10-23-2015, 10:51 AM

I would call it the evolution of the muscle car. Even though it will run with the BMWs and Audis it has a NA V-8 and a growling exhaust.

In my mind, that's allows the Gen 6 to retain it's muscle car status and just not be another fast, great handling car.

Bhobbs · 10-23-2015, 11:00 AM

Of course they are cool. They've been antiquated for a while now. If you think they aren't cool any more, try to buy one.

KaBoom1701 · 10-23-2015, 11:02 AM

I'm waiting for all the baby boomers to die off so we can start buying all these cool 60's & 70's classic muscle cars again.

SQUALO · 10-23-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by newb

I real car guy will always love and respect a big, loud, snarling, growling classic. Cars exceeded the performance and comfort of the classics a long time ago. Most family sedans are faster and handle better than most classic muscle cars in stock form. Even well built muscle car only runs 12 or 13 second quarters (excluding of course the drag setups. I'm talking average street car). So as man of us often say, its not about being the fastest. Modern cars will never be as cool as a big block Chevelle or a cherry Impala.

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Classic cars are definitely still cool, and always will be. But I think trying to compare the two is just a lost cause. The only answer is to appreciate both for what they are.

newb · 10-23-2015, 11:29 AM

And I have watched new cars get completely overlooked when in the company of a nice classic. Regardless of interior amenities or speed.

HuJass · 10-23-2015, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

This new Camaro is such a large step forward in every respect of performance. It has reached a level now that even guys with enough skills to fabricate just about whatever modifications they want to a classic muscle car, that most still won't be able to match it without paying more than the '16 1SS sticker price.

So here is the question. Is a LS7 Chevelle, Hemi 'Cuda, or Mach 1 Mustang even cool anymore? Big, slow, and heavy, without any modern conveniences. Are they purely just for museum pieces now without legitimate street credibility?

Yeah, that will NEVER happen. The original muscle cars will ALWAYS be cool.

HuJass · 10-23-2015, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by newb

And I have watched new cars get completely overlooked when in the company of a nice classic. Regardless of interior amenities or speed.

Absolutely the truth.

Bring a newer car to a car show and watch how many people DON'T look at it.

hotlap · 10-23-2015, 12:16 PM

I sold my old school muscle car in 2009 and have no interest in owning another. The new cars do everything so much better. That said, they are still cool with a sound and smell that is unmatched

Curr · 10-23-2015, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by newb

And I have watched new cars get completely overlooked when in the company of a nice classic. Regardless of interior amenities or speed.

100% agree. I never took my '12 5.0 to any of the local meet ups, but old muscle and old exotics were always the big hits. Then came the newer stuff.

I'd imagine only the true hypercars (LaF, 918, Pagani, Veyrons, Koenigsegg etc) would hold any sort of match against old school stuff. As much as I love 911's, they are a dime a dozen at those events. An original '70 GSX however... #holdthephone!

Sledgehammer70 · 10-23-2015, 12:36 PM

Never Forget! your classics. They are the key to keeping Muscle car DNA.

SpookShow'84 · 10-23-2015, 01:58 PM

I totally get the classic feel. Just riding in them is an experience that is hard to match. For me though if it's cool AND fast that is what separates a car from being neat to look at, and something worth owning. My favorite Chevy ever is a '59 sedan but I'll never own one b/c it rides like a wagon and my 4 cyl. Optima is more fun to drive. I don't need to have to fastest car in the club anymore but am not yet comfortable to being beaten by a WRX.

So what brought up this question is that we just had pretty much the last cruise of the year in our car club. I've been a muscle car fan for a long time now. It was the first event I can remember looking at truly gorgeous classics that guys have perfected over 20-30 of ownership and felt "Meh" about them. At the midnight flat spot or floor from a roll those cars may as well be a Stanley steamer.

Just curious as to what the gen6 buyer, the new generation of pony car owner, thinks about the state of the new in relation to the old which had been the standard for a long time.

10-23-2015, 10:20 AM	#1
SpookShow'84 Bump in the night Drives: '84 Monte Carlo SS, '15 Optima Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 744 View My Garage	Does the '16 officially antiquate the classic muscle car? This new Camaro is such a large step forward in every respect of performance. It has reached a level now that even guys with enough skills to fabricate just about whatever modifications they want to a classic muscle car, that most still won't be able to match it without paying more than the '16 1SS sticker price. So here is the question. Is a LS7 Chevelle, Hemi 'Cuda, or Mach 1 Mustang even cool anymore? Big, slow, and heavy, without any modern conveniences. Are they purely just for museum pieces now without legitimate street credibility? __________________ https://youtu.be/Acui13Vz5Lk

10-23-2015, 10:32 AM	#2
newb Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DMV Posts: 1,548	I real car guy will always love and respect a big, loud, snarling, growling classic. Cars exceeded the performance and comfort of the classics a long time ago. Most family sedans are faster and handle better than most classic muscle cars in stock form. Even well built muscle car only runs 12 or 13 second quarters (excluding of course the drag setups. I'm talking average street car). So as man of us often say, its not about being the fastest. Modern cars will never be as cool as a big block Chevelle or a cherry Impala. __________________ It's a Dingledarm. It's there to dampen side fumbling. If your marzelvanes fumble too much they can cause total protonic reversal. It gets ugly from there. This is really the biggest problem with the new Camaro. That and the tri-pronged blivot. Delivered 21 Jan 2013

10-23-2015, 10:41 AM	#3
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,969	Classic cars are definitely still cool, and always will be. But I think trying to compare the two is just a lost cause. The only answer is to appreciate both for what they are. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

10-23-2015, 11:00 AM	#5
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,991	Of course they are cool. They've been antiquated for a while now. If you think they aren't cool any more, try to buy one. __________________

10-23-2015, 11:02 AM	#6
KaBoom1701 KaBoom1701 Drives: 13' ZL1 Red M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: I.E. SoCal (Yucaipa) Posts: 8,631	I'm waiting for all the baby boomers to die off so we can start buying all these cool 60's & 70's classic muscle cars again. __________________ Mods: Roto-Fab Intake, WW Res. kit & Big Gulp Air Scoop, Elite Catch Can, ATI Super Damper & 18% OD Pulley, LF Idler pulley bracket, Metco CC breather, ID850 Injectors, Stainless Power Headers w/ ceramic coating, TR71X Spark Plugs, JMS Fuel Pump Booster, Bo White TB, Tuned by Ted @ Jannetty Racing, Ron Davis HX, D3 Reservoir, Pfadt 1" Springs, Moreno Camber Plates, ZL1 Addons Splitter guard washers, Tow Hook kit & rock guards, Hurst Shifter Billet Plus 6 Speed Short Shifter, ZL1 DRL lighting harness, ZL1 Recaro Seats.

10-23-2015, 10:51 AM	#4
Cam 6 Drives: 2018 Colorado ZR2 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ohio Posts: 557	I would call it the evolution of the muscle car. Even though it will run with the BMWs and Audis it has a NA V-8 and a growling exhaust. In my mind, that's allows the Gen 6 to retain it's muscle car status and just not be another fast, great handling car.

10-23-2015, 11:29 AM	#8
newb Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DMV Posts: 1,548	And I have watched new cars get completely overlooked when in the company of a nice classic. Regardless of interior amenities or speed. __________________ It's a Dingledarm. It's there to dampen side fumbling. If your marzelvanes fumble too much they can cause total protonic reversal. It gets ugly from there. This is really the biggest problem with the new Camaro. That and the tri-pronged blivot. Delivered 21 Jan 2013

10-23-2015, 12:16 PM	#11
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,637	I sold my old school muscle car in 2009 and have no interest in owning another. The new cars do everything so much better. That said, they are still cool with a sound and smell that is unmatched __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

10-23-2015, 12:36 PM	#13
Sledgehammer70 Lethal Camaro Drives: 16 2SS, 71 Std, Suburban RTS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 3,855 View My Garage	Never Forget! your classics. They are the key to keeping Muscle car DNA. __________________ Thanks My Build Thread \| Lethal Garage YouTube \| Lethal Camaro IG \|

10-23-2015, 01:58 PM	#14
SpookShow'84 Bump in the night Drives: '84 Monte Carlo SS, '15 Optima Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 744 View My Garage	I totally get the classic feel. Just riding in them is an experience that is hard to match. For me though if it's cool AND fast that is what separates a car from being neat to look at, and something worth owning. My favorite Chevy ever is a '59 sedan but I'll never own one b/c it rides like a wagon and my 4 cyl. Optima is more fun to drive. I don't need to have to fastest car in the club anymore but am not yet comfortable to being beaten by a WRX. So what brought up this question is that we just had pretty much the last cruise of the year in our car club. I've been a muscle car fan for a long time now. It was the first event I can remember looking at truly gorgeous classics that guys have perfected over 20-30 of ownership and felt "Meh" about them. At the midnight flat spot or floor from a roll those cars may as well be a Stanley steamer. Just curious as to what the gen6 buyer, the new generation of pony car owner, thinks about the state of the new in relation to the old which had been the standard for a long time. __________________ https://youtu.be/Acui13Vz5Lk

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