[ilirg]

Originally Posted by newb

I am amazed that people don't think there is anything left to improve on an under tired SS with body roll and a compromise suspension. Regardless of how fast it is, there is room for a 1LE.


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Lmao exactly! If the new SS meets the outgoing 1le on the track, why on earth would there not be a 1le to outperform the SS?? Is the outgoing 1le the epitome of performance? No! Each generation is supposed to get better, hence there will most definitely be aa 1le that is even more track focused than the ss.

[90503]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Lmao exactly! If the new SS meets the outgoing 1le on the track, why on earth would there not be a 1le to outperform the SS?? Is the outgoing 1le the epitome of performance? No! Each generation is supposed to get better, hence there will most definitely be aa 1le that is even more track focused than the ss.

Not disagreeing with you, just saying this 6thGenSS has options that the 5thGen SS did not have...and that if they weren't offered as 6thGen SS options, would probably be in a 1LE package....upgraded brakes, rotors, MRC, NPP, heavy duty cooling, etc....add some tires and wheels, and you pretty much have a 1LE package already available as an option....

Upgrading is great for each model and I think that is what they did for the SS...include or make available performance, 1LE type options....If there is more to make a 1LE, fine...but you'd be getting way more expensive and close to what might go into a Z/28....Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time...

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by 90503

Not disagreeing with you, just saying this 6thGenSS has options that the 5thGen SS did not have...and that if they weren't offered as 6thGen SS options, would probably be in a 1LE package....upgraded brakes, rotors, MRC, NPP, heavy duty cooling, etc....add some tires and wheels, and you pretty much have a 1LE package already available as an option....

Upgrading is great for each model and I think that is what they did for the SS...include or make available performance, 1LE type options....If there is more to make a 1LE, fine...but you'd be getting way more expensive and close to what might go into a Z/28....Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time...

Well, Im kind of on the fence. I think they might just make a z28 to take the place of the 1le at a more accessible price point, or make a 1le to go up against the gt350 and the z28 to go against the gt350r. Either way its going to be awesome!

[newb]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Well, Im kind of on the fence. I think they might just make a z28 to take the place of the 1le at a more accessible price point, or make a 1le to go up against the gt350 and the z28 to go against the gt350r. Either way its going to be awesome!

This is more likely than saying the SS performs so well there won't be a 1LE. As mentioned by everyone. MRC is a great compromise suspension. It gives comfort when needed and can stiffen up when needed. But it still is not a competition suspension. There is still room for a 1LE if for no reason other than the base 350. The same reason it came to be in the 5th gen, the Boss cars. I just it can be in the same model year this time so Ford can't pull the "it's out of production" bs again


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[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

My thoughts on a 6TH Gen 1LE

GM, please give it,

-huge 6 piston brakes with 2 piece rotors
-ducts for those brakes, or atleast an optional dealer or customer installed duct that will actually direct air to the rotor hat
-MRC would be OK as an additional option, this technology is undeniable. The SS already has it, and it would keep costs down. Maybe they can add stiffer springs and tune the MRC to match them, opening up another level of performance vs. the base SS. But I would be fine with conventional struts also.
-Recaros, that is probably without being said
-rev match and no lift shift
-superb cooling-all fluids I want to beat on it for 20 minutes or more
-while this will ruffle feathers like the MRC might, the 8 speed auto is a wonderful trans and it will make a car faster on the road course (ZO6). While I do love shifting my own gears and it is very pure, there is something to be said about the quick power delivery of the GM auto. 98% chance I would go with the manual, 99% chance if the manual is a 7 speed
-performance data recorder

A 1LE has to beat the GT350 (which I think is fantastic)
Save the Z/28 for the GT350R

please fell free to add to the list

:d rinking::hai l:

[Bhobbs]

The 1LE doesn't need MRC or the 8 speed. If you want MRC and the 8 speed, get an SS.

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Most of the sales will be made up by 4 and 6 cylinders anyway.

The 6th gen Camaro won't be outselling the Mustang the first couple of months after we start seeing them in showrooms later this year. Remember, the T4 base model won't be available for purchase until the first quarter of next year.

The Ford guys will be falling all over themselves pointing out that the Camaro isn't selling well...Knowing full well that the base model is not available at launch.

[BahamaTodd]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

My thoughts on a 6TH Gen 1LE

GM, please give it,

-huge 6 piston brakes with 2 piece rotors
-ducts for those brakes, or atleast an optional dealer or customer installed duct that will actually direct air to the rotor hat
-MRC would be OK as an additional option, this technology is undeniable. The SS already has it, and it would keep costs down. Maybe they can add stiffer springs and tune the MRC to match them, opening up another level of performance vs. the base SS. But I would be fine with conventional struts also.
-Recaros, that is probably without being said
-rev match and no lift shift
-superb cooling-all fluids I want to beat on it for 20 minutes or more
-while this will ruffle feathers like the MRC might, the 8 speed auto is a wonderful trans and it will make a car faster on the road course (ZO6). While I do love shifting my own gears and it is very pure, there is something to be said about the quick power delivery of the GM auto. 98% chance I would go with the manual, 99% chance if the manual is a 7 speed
-performance data recorder

A 1LE has to beat the GT350 (which I think is fantastic)
Save the Z/28 for the GT350R

please fell free to add to the list

Electronic Limited Slip Differential. That's a big one missing from the SS.

[Mikes SS]

as far as the argument going about there not being a 1LE for this gen, I believe that to be correct too, A LOT of people would have been just fine and happy to have the Z/28 be the SS w/1LE package and the LT7...GM went waaayyy overboard and did everything else to it and put it in the 75K range and lost a lot of sales due to the price tag. Its not like they really wanted to sell that many Z/28's anyway, that would have jacked with their CAFE #'s...so all in all I am saying, this is the Z/28 and there will be no reason for a 1LE package with this gen because with the performance of the SS, there really is no need for it.

[davidcroft]

Are you guys even realizing what is happening? They are going to be quicker to market with the ZL1 1LE variants than the previous 5th gen. The 5th gen RS and SS started arriving in Spring of '09 with the ZL1 arriving early '12 and the 1LE's arriving late '12. I think it's fantastic they are developing the performance variants before the RS and SS models are even hitting the dealer lots. I already have my eye on the 1LE!

It's just like the hype of the 5th gen all over again.

[cdb95z28]

Originally Posted by BahamaTodd

Electronic Limited Slip Differential. That's a big one missing from the SS.

Ohhh Yeahh, that's a great add

Originally Posted by davidcroft

Are you guys even realizing what is happening? They are going to be quicker to market with the ZL1 1LE variants than the previous 5th gen. The 5th gen RS and SS started arriving in Spring of '09 with the ZL1 arriving early '12 and the 1LE's arriving late '12. I think it's fantastic they are developing the performance variants before the RS and SS models are even hitting the dealer lots. I already have my eye on the 1LE!
It's just like the hype of the 5th gen all over again.

I agree. GM raised the bar big time with the 1LE and Z/28. The 1LE being more affordable and the Z/28 being the all out hardcore track weapon.

Then: Z/28>1LE>Boss 302 Laguna Seca

Now (hopefully): Z/28>GT350R>1LE>GT350

Again, GM raised the bar and Ford responded. Big Time. GM cannot afford to hold the Z/28 and 1LE too long.

[Full Lock]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

Ohhh Yeahh, that's a great add





I agree. GM raised the bar big time with the 1LE and Z/28. The 1LE being more affordable and the Z/28 being the all out hardcore track weapon.

Then: Z/28>1LE>Boss 302 Laguna Seca

Now (hopefully): Z/28>GT350R>1LE>GT350

Again, GM raised the bar and Ford responded. Big Time. GM cannot afford to hold the Z/28 and 1LE too long.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

[Noob]

Originally Posted by cdb95z28

Ohhh Yeahh, that's a great add





I agree. GM raised the bar big time with the 1LE and Z/28. The 1LE being more affordable and the Z/28 being the all out hardcore track weapon.

Then: Z/28>1LE>Boss 302 Laguna Seca

Now (hopefully): Z/28>GT350R>1LE>GT350

Again, GM raised the bar and Ford responded. Big Time. GM cannot afford to hold the Z/28 and 1LE too long.

agreed but they are under pressure, here in europe every sold Mustang is one Camaro less to sell....

[Denis]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

Are you guys even realizing what is happening? They are going to be quicker to market with the ZL1 1LE variants than the previous 5th gen. The 5th gen RS and SS started arriving in Spring of '09 with the ZL1 arriving early '12 and the 1LE's arriving late '12. I think it's fantastic they are developing the performance variants before the RS and SS models are even hitting the dealer lots. I already have my eye on the 1LE!

It's just like the hype of the 5th gen all over again.

I guess the difference was with the 5th gen, everything was new. They didn't know how a ZL1 or 1LE would sell. Now they know there's a demand for them. People want the, and will pay the premium for them. GM wants to make money so they're bringing the supply because there's definitely a demand.