[CamaroBody]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You keep babbling bullshit numbers and options that are impossible. $48k 2SS with audio and tech package option (impossible). 55k 1SS vert with optional heated/cooled seats and HUD (impossible). Go buy your $35k w/tax loaded GT

get out a calculator if you cant handle basic arithmetic

also the 1ss does not come with optional heated seats or HUD... never has

adding a convertible on a 5th gen 2ss is a $5100 addition not $7500 so assuming prices stay the same (they wont) you can subtract $2.5k +tax from 60k and 55k respectively

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by CamaroBody

get out a calculator if you cant handle basic arithmetic

also the 1ss does not come with optional heated seats or HUD... never has

adding a convertible on a 5th gen 2ss is a $5100 addition not $7500 so assuming prices stay the same (they wont) you can subtract $2.5k +tax from 60k and 55k respectively

Your speaking shit to me. You state combinations that are impossible or redundant to the trim level and adding tax for affect. Your tax rate my vary and Is dependent on your trade. Troll

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Your speaking shit to me. You state combinations that are impossible or redundant to the trim level and adding tax for affect. Your tax rate my vary and Is dependent on your trade. Troll

Meh... tax is dependant on the state and county you live in. Has nothing to do with your trade in most states.

[BWAYNE2008]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

I understand you don't qualify for Supplier Pricing, but that still doesn't make this a fair comparison. MSRP to MSRP with similar options, they are about the same price. 4k is a decent difference and if it's a toss up between the cars, I'd say go for the Mustang.

I qualify for GM supplier pricing so a Camaro I'd buy would be about 1,500 more than an X Plan Mustang. To me, 2k is worth the difference for a car I'd prefer. Still, would like to drive the 2016 Camaro as I've driven the 15 Mustang a few times.

Yeah, if I qualified for GM supplier at least, then my decision would favor the Camaro. With Ford, you can join Mustang Club of America for $50 annually, or Experimental Aircraft Association for $40, and get Xplan pricing. With Chrysler you can join Treadlightly.org for $100 and receive Chrysler Affiliate pricing for purchase of a Scatpack Challenger. These programs also allow you to use current manufacturer rebates in addition. Are there any programs one could join to qualify for GM supplier discount?

[laborsmith]

GM Friends & Family which seems to require knowing a GM employee, and the pricing mirrors Supplier. There are mixed reports where some have posted using the $750 along with Supplier pricing and others have posted trying but not succeeding.

[CamaroBody]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

You state combinations that are impossible or redundant to the trim level and adding tax for affect.

where did I state impossible or redundant combinations? there is magnetic ride, auto, npp, sunroof

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Your tax rate my vary

^tax genius

so this is an impossible combination?

$41,300
$995 - DFC
$895 - Exhaust
$395 - Mosaic
$500 - Interior Trim
$900 - Sunroof
$1,695 - Magnetic Ride
$1,495 - Auto
$200-500 - Wheels
$300 - Car Cover
$na - Blacked out tail lights
$na - Blacked out bowties
$na - Stripes
$na - Spoiler
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$49,000
$5100 - Convertible (gen5 price)
$4,600 - tax (8.5%)
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=$59,000 +

[bdavies11]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

40 large on a base 2015 SS to a 2016 base SS is like jumping from a 2015 LS to a 2SS. You think you get all these bells and whistles for free???? #Expectations

While it's nice to have the option to have all the bells and whistles, not everyone wants/needs them. And when you don't want them, it's hard to justify paying and extra 5-6k for features you don't care for. Some might just want a V8 with AC and a radio.

A 1SS is supposed to be a Basic V8 but it's really not anymore because it comes with so much. I don't like the fact that GM is loading up a "Base" car, then forcing you to pay up and trying to justify it by saying, " well, it has this, this and this included" so the price is fair. Yes, OK, the price is fair with all that stuff, but I don't want all that stuff. If I did, I'd get the 2SS.

If I just want an SS with AC and a radio, I should be able to buy that and not spend an extra 5k on features I don't want.

[shaffe]

Here is the way I look at it, I am not a tech type guy. I don't really care/want/need techy options. At this point in my life, the only options I want is an auto trans and a V-8.

The mustang I would get right now, costs $34,550 MSRP. The equivalent 2016 Camaro is 38790. Once you figure in taxes ( 7.75% in my area) that puts the Camaro at 41,796. I simply refuse to pay over 40K for a 1SS. I don't care if that only adds 76 a month to the payment. I just can't fathom paying over 40K for a base model V-8 car.

[DanaM]

Originally Posted by BryceClark89

That mean less little Debbies and 12 packs in exchange for an amazing car.

For me it means I drop Chipotle 3 to 4 times a week (double meat) to once a week and drop steak 3 times a week to once a week. Damn it. :-(

[bahighroller]

Originally Posted by dragonZ28

There are 3 types of buyers:

1 - People who want to get into a Camaro at the lowest cost to say they have a Camaro. This includes cost of entry + car insurance. GM will sell to these guys still.

2 - People, usually young males, who like to do street racing and drag racing at the track. They all know dozens of people in the same mindset and this crowd has the strongest word of mouth. They don't care about MRC, super high-end electronic displays, expensive experimental HVAC systems, etc. What they care about is how much money it costs to make them go fast in a straight line. This crowd will go the the 5.0 - no doubt.

3 - Enthusiasts. These people are not classifiable as being the same.

-Some are brand loyal regardless of the cost. GM has these guys' sales regardless.

-Some weigh the cost vs benefit compared to their specific needs at the track to competition. This has nothing to do with HVAC knobs from the future, 8" displays, etc. Again, they may be missing the mark with these guys.

I understand the debate, and everybody is right; those defending the price, and those who are seeing sticker shock. No matter how much people attempt to convince them the price is worth it, they'll never see it through your filter.

I guess what I'm trying to ultimately say is that something's worth isn't a global yes or no. It varies from person to person. Sadly, people get excluded from getting the car they want due to restricitive package bundles.

I disagree with those who say the 1SS is well-equipped. Yes, it will be fast. Yes, it will perform extremely well. But, you have to feel a little bad when you don't get the premium sound system or leather seats in a $38-$4xK car.

I for one am getting a 2SS that will cost me $45,680 (before tax). I have owned a 98 Camaro V6, a 99 Z28, a 2001 Trans Am WS6, a 2010 2SS/RS, a 2006 C6 Z06, and a 2011 Mustang GT Premium. Out of all of those purchases, this is the one I feel most uneasy about. That isn't a fluke - I have my reasons.

Very well thought out post and right on. I am an exception to your rule though. I am a brand loyalist when it comes to owning a Camaro but I still cannot believe the price they put on these. I was very excited and had every intention of getting one but at this point I am not sure. And for those idiots who will say I cannot afford it and that is not GM's fault. I could afford it, but I see no justification in spending that much on this car. And yes, Ford and the Mustang will kill the Camaro in sales because of this pricing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Anyone looked at the stock market lately? People are going to try and pinch every penny.

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by bdavies11

While it's nice to have the option to have all the bells and whistles, not everyone wants/needs them. And when you don't want them, it's hard to justify paying and extra 5-6k for features you don't care for. Some might just want a V8 with AC and a radio.

A 1SS is supposed to be a Basic V8 but it's really not anymore because it comes with so much. I don't like the fact that GM is loading up a "Base" car, then forcing you to pay up and trying to justify it by saying, " well, it has this, this and this included" so the price is fair. Yes, OK, the price is fair with all that stuff, but I don't want all that stuff. If I did, I'd get the 2SS.

If I just want an SS with AC and a radio, I should be able to buy that and not spend an extra 5k on features I don't want.

Bingo!!! Ford was smart making a basic V8 for $33K.. I bought my 1SS for the V8 and the Brembos.. I added in the 4 pack gauges and OEM RS Headlights later on my own accord.

[Thor142]

2SS
yellow paint
black wheels
NPP
MRC
46,080 before tax?
Really?
I have the money. The payment isn't an issue. The butt hurt of a $46000 Camaro is a little much to get over. Not a brand loyalist at all. I really like the car and may still buy one but now have some cross shopping to do.

[Cam 6]

I understand some of the angst over the base model pricing. For someone just wanting to get a seat in a 2016 Camaro, 26K is a chunk of change. But once you get into the 2SS, the pricing is really some serious bang for the buck.

We just bought the wife an ATS coupe 3.6 (top end premium package) with supplier discount. The sticker on the car was over 53K. No MRC, no ventilated seats, no LT1, and without rear park assist, rear cross-traffic alert or blind zone alert.

The car handles well, but won't be within yelling distance of the Sixth gen on a track.

I know it's a Cadillac and all and they are different cars, but this isn't the same Camaro as in the past. It's a great blend of muscle, luxury and track prowess. Well worth 50k loaded up if you do a relative apples-to-apples comparison to other options out there.

Including the GT350.

[IOMike]

You guys simply can not get over that you get what you pay for.

It's downright moronic to say how over priced the SS is when comparing it to the Mustang GT then in same breath talk about how good of a deal the GT350 is.

The SS wipes its butt with the GT. You create these fake builds with the SS adding MRC and dual mode exhaust and compare it to the GT pricing...MRC and dual mode are not even options on the GT.

Would you rather they were not options on the SS so you could have a lower "fully loaded" price?