Mustang fanboys getting all hot and bothered - Page 11

KMPrenger · 08-19-2015, 10:17 AM

After as hard as they fought in the 5th gen to keep the Z/28 n/a, and decided to name the supercharged version ZL1 because it didn't really seem like the Z/28 name fit, it would be a little disappointing for them to come around this generation and name the forced induction car a Z/28.

That said, if I had to guess, I would still lean towards the idea that the next hi-po Camaro we see will use the LT4, and will be a combination of ZL1 and Z/28, like ZR1 and Z06 Corvettes.

hotlap · 08-19-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

After as hard as they fought in the 5th gen to keep the Z/28 n/a, and decided to name the supercharged version ZL1 because it didn't really seem like the Z/28 name fit, it would be a little disappointing for them to come around this generation and name the forced induction car a Z/28.

That said, if I had to guess, I would still lean towards the idea that the next hi-po Camaro we see will use the LT4, and will be a combination of ZL1 and Z/28, like ZR1 and Z06 Corvettes.

The interesting thing is that at the same time the Camaro team fought to keep the Z/28 naturally aspirated to protect the heritage of the name, the Corvette team was well underway with supercharging the C7 Z06.

I don't get it. Why was Z/28 worth keeping pure but not the Z06? Many say there will be no C7 ZR1 so why didn't they call it that?

SuperSound · 08-19-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The interesting thing is that at the same time the Camaro team fought to keep the Z/28 naturally aspirated to protect the heritage of the name, the Corvette team was well underway with supercharging the C7 Z06.

I don't get it. Why was Z/28 worth keeping pure but not the Z06? Many say there will be no C7 ZR1 so why didn't they call it that?

I've thought that as well. That and the fact the ZL1 was an engine designation, not really a model, so why even use that? It is as big a continuity mistake as making a FI Z/28 to me. If name recognition is all that matters, then why make a big deal about a FI Z/28.

NASTY99Z28 · 08-19-2015, 11:22 AM

Yet another reason we need a bigger cube ltx based engine. Doesn't have to be 427ci's but around 390-400ci's should be doable emissions wise. Let the zl1 get the lt4 with a bump in power over the current rating and call it a day. It'll still be slower than the next gt500 in a straight line but it need a to be closer than last time.

hotlap · 08-19-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

I've thought that as well. That and the fact the ZL1 was an engine designation, not really a model, so why even use that? It is as big a continuity mistake as making a FI Z06 to me. If name recognition is all that matters, then why make a big deal about a FI Z/28.

The base C7 weighs ~100lbs more than the C6 so I guess they went FI on the Z06 because it was the only way a new Z06 could make a significant performance advancement. 525ish HP wouldn't be enough and the Germans and Italians are going FI so they justified it. IMO they didn't call it ZR1 because they are saving that for later. Just an opinion.

The gen6 Camaro will weigh ~200 lbs less so they could advance the performance with a NA 525ish HP engine. History says Chevy doesn't build unique engines for Camaros. Maybe it makes sense for a Grand Sport too. All I know is at $65 to $75k, a Camaro is no longer a poor mans Corvette. We buy Camaros because we don't want a Corvette. Gives us proper engines Chevy!

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-19-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The base C7 weighs ~100lbs more than the C6 so I guess they went FI on the Z06 because it was the only way a new Z06 could make a significant performance advancement. 525ish HP wouldn't be enough and the Germans and Italians are going FI so they justified it. IMO they didn't call it ZR1 because they are saving that for later. Just an opinion.

The gen6 Camaro will weigh ~200 lbs less so they could advance the performance with a NA 525ish HP engine. History says Chevy doesn't build unique engines for Camaros. Maybe it makes sense for a Grand Sport too. All I know is at $65 to $75k, a Camaro is no longer a poor mans Corvette. We buy Camaros because we don't want a Corvette. Gives us proper engines Chevy!

One small thing...the L99 was exclusive to the Camaro.

NASTY99Z28 · 08-19-2015, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The base C7 weighs ~100lbs more than the C6 so I guess they went FI on the Z06 because it was the only way a new Z06 could make a significant performance advancement. 525ish HP wouldn't be enough and the Germans and Italians are going FI so they justified it. IMO they didn't call it ZR1 because they are saving that for later. Just an opinion.

The gen6 Camaro will weigh ~200 lbs less so they could advance the performance with a NA 525ish HP engine. History says Chevy doesn't build unique engines for Camaros. Maybe it makes sense for a Grand Sport too. All I know is at $65 to $75k, a Camaro is no longer a poor mans Corvette. We buy Camaros because we don't want a Corvette. Gives us proper engines Chevy!

It only weighs more because of the blower and accessories.

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One small thing...the L99 was exclusive to the Camaro.

One small thing...that's not true anymore.

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-19-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

It only weighs more because of the blower and accessories.

One small thing...that's not true anymore.

What else is it in now?

SuperSound · 08-19-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The base C7 weighs ~100lbs more than the C6 so I guess they went FI on the Z06 because it was the only way a new Z06 could make a significant performance advancement. 525ish HP wouldn't be enough and the Germans and Italians are going FI so they justified it. IMO they didn't call it ZR1 because they are saving that for later. Just an opinion.

The gen6 Camaro will weigh ~200 lbs less so they could advance the performance with a NA 525ish HP engine. History says Chevy doesn't build unique engines for Camaros. Maybe it makes sense for a Grand Sport too. All I know is at $65 to $75k, a Camaro is no longer a poor mans Corvette. We buy Camaros because we don't want a Corvette. Gives us proper engines Chevy!

I'm right there with you, I've seen nothing that says the ZR1 won't be back. Maybe mid engined, maybe not.

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What else is it in now?

Think he's referring to the fact the auto 6th gen uses the same engine as the manual now. So no more unique engine (or should we say neutered lol).

LesserO2Evils · 08-19-2015, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

One small thing...the L99 was exclusive to the Camaro.

Lol. Yeah.. THERE is something to hang your hat on!

hotlap · 08-19-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

It only weighs more because of the blower and accessories.

I was referring to the base model C6 and C7 weights. Google shows C6 as 3,175 lbs and C7 as 3,298 lbs.

Corvette got heavier but Camaro started fat so dropping weight was possible

LesserO2Evils · 08-19-2015, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I was referring to the base model C6 and C7 weights. Google shows C6 as 3,175 lbs and C7 as 3,298 lbs.

Corvette got heavier but Camaro started fat so dropping weight was possible

Ive yet to see a base model C6 come in under 3200lbs. Regardless of fuel level. The C7 only went up a out 90lbs. Just saying. Most ppl were dissapointed by the weight gain, but it is inevitable. Thats why it is so impressive that the Camaro has managed to class it up AND LOOSE WEIGHT. Gotta appreciate that!

NASTY99Z28 · 08-20-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

What else is it in now?

Holden is using it in the sedan now.

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

I'm right there with you, I've seen nothing that says the ZR1 won't be back. Maybe mid engined, maybe not.

Think he's referring to the fact the auto 6th gen uses the same engine as the manual now. So no more unique engine (or should we say neutered lol).

Nope. Look above.

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I was referring to the base model C6 and C7 weights. Google shows C6 as 3,175 lbs and C7 as 3,298 lbs.

Corvette got heavier but Camaro started fat so dropping weight was possible

Ahh gotcha.

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Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils

Ive yet to see a base model C6 come in under 3200lbs. Regardless of fuel level. The C7 only went up a out 90lbs. Just saying. Most ppl were dissapointed by the weight gain, but it is inevitable. Thats why it is so impressive that the Camaro has managed to class it up AND LOOSE WEIGHT. Gotta appreciate that!

"SUPPOSEDLY" lost a bunch of weight.

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-20-2015, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Holden is using it in the sedan now.
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Are you referring to the Commodore Series II or is there something else I missed?

08-19-2015, 10:17 AM	#141
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,967	After as hard as they fought in the 5th gen to keep the Z/28 n/a, and decided to name the supercharged version ZL1 because it didn't really seem like the Z/28 name fit, it would be a little disappointing for them to come around this generation and name the forced induction car a Z/28. That said, if I had to guess, I would still lean towards the idea that the next hi-po Camaro we see will use the LT4, and will be a combination of ZL1 and Z/28, like ZR1 and Z06 Corvettes. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

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NASTY99Z28 Drives: 99z28 with bolt-ons and a mwc fab 9 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 1,277	Yet another reason we need a bigger cube ltx based engine. Doesn't have to be 427ci's but around 390-400ci's should be doable emissions wise. Let the zl1 get the lt4 with a bump in power over the current rating and call it a day. It'll still be slower than the next gt500 in a straight line but it need a to be closer than last time. __________________ I like my woman like my milk shakes, THICK!!!!

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