[khell86]

Seems like everyones quick to forget yalls version of thePill.... Lowdown. It's the same on both boards.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

Yeah, because nobody on this site ever beats up on the V6 owners. just wait until the turbo four is available, the V8 Camaro guys will have a field day!

There is a difference between teasing or sarcasm or saying "you shoulda gotta V8", and what was going on over there. Not even in the same category.

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

It can't? Or are you only speaking to the 1LE packaged Camaro versus the PP packaged GT? Otherwise, the new Mustang beat the old Camaro across the board from everything I've seen/read.

Yeah, all I can find is the GTPP vs. SS 1LE. You got anything with the base GT and SS models. I'm interested.

[classicrockr]

I just posted on the m6G forums, addressing "the pill" on a post of his where he's arguing with a Camaro owner. I basically stated that the fanboys on BOTH sides are ridiculous, and thanked those that give praise to all makes/models when it's due.

I'm sure he's already hit me back. People, please don't play his game. He may end up being right about the weights - the C6 may NOT make the claimed weights. But that's for the future to tell.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

Didn't you get banned from over there? Quite an accomplishment and might account for your hate of the site, don't you think?

No. Hate is an awfully strong word. Their versus section is filled with utter garbage. It's really not any kind of accomplishment. Not being banned from the site when calling their resident idiot out on bullshit would be an accomplishment. He does personal attacks on a daily basis, but anyone else not waving the Ford flag says something remotely personal and they get banned.

Its funny since i actuallly considered a 2015 as well.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by ztwentypoop

It can't? Or are you only speaking to the 1LE packaged Camaro versus the PP packaged GT? Otherwise, the new Mustang beat the old Camaro across the board from everything I've seen/read.

It was more of a blanket statement than anything, specifically speaking to the 1LE / GTPP comparison.

I tried looking for SS / GT comparisons just now and I couldn't find any directly.

The new mustang definitely does not beat the old camaro across the board, at least going by 1/4 ET and 0-60, both of which I've seen reported as 4.5 and 13.0 (I know owners run faster times). As far as track comparisons, it's hard to say unless they're done on the same day at the same track with the same driver (which hasn't happened, it seems - only with the 1LE). The mustang certainly brakes much better than the outgoing SS, so that's something.

I'd be interested to read anything you can find on the new mustang far outperforming the 5th gen (not just by a tenth here or there).

[neutral]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Honestly, I'm ashamed to own a car from the same brand as those guys. I have never seen a crowd like that and I have been on plenty of forums. Subaru, Dodge, Chevy..

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

No. Hate is an awfully strong word. Their versus section is filled with utter garbage. It's really not any kind of accomplishment. Not being banned from the site when calling their resident idiot out on bullshit would be an accomplishment. He does personal attacks on a daily basis, but anyone else not waving the Ford flag says something remotely personal and they get banned.

Its funny since i actuallly considered a 2015 as well.

How can you make such a sweeping generalization about a forum based on one member? He's the very definition of a vocal minority giving an entire community a bad image. Do you really see members on M6G backing his opinion up? And if you do, honestly, how often does it happen? Almost never. He's either talking to himself or waiting for someone (who has spare time to waste) to call him on his shit.

Don't be ashamed because of "us guys." There's nothing about us to be ashamed of, and the notion of that statement is insulting anyway. Consider feeling pity or frustration that there are people as delusional as him with a mouse and keyboard that can go all loud-speaker on a public forum.

He's delusional, which isn't a bannable offense. If he made more true personal attacks, he'd be banned. I think he somehow grasps these rules and plays around them.

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

It is unbelievably bad over on that forum. I don't know why the moderators don't put a stop to it. One of the main contributors lateley has been a guy who was totally stoked about his EcoBoost Mustang. He defended and justified his decistion to the nth degree. The poor guy got so harassed, he ended up trading it in for a 5.0. Why not just let the guy be happy with what he bought? I think the straw that broke the camel's back was when he went to a Mustang event, and folks harrased him in person about having a four banger. It's bad enough getting trolled on an internet forum, but when Mustang owners are trolling other Mustang owners in person at a Mustang event... Well, let's just say, I am glad to be around you guys in the Camaro community.

I've hung out with that guy in person back when he had his EB. I think you're looking way too far into the harassment thing; he was light-hearted about it all when I pried into it. After talking about his car (base auto EB), he said it did the job but he wasn't completely psyched about it. He clearly wanted a V8 and a manual, and I'm sure that had way more of a factor in the switch than any kind of bullying. Plus he hardly took a financial hit, which is remarkable.

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

It feels wrong of me, and I should be a better person.

But when the weights are released, I feel like some thread should be created, calling out that troll ThePill and basically used as a childish "HAHA You are wrong....eat CROW!!!" But it doesn't matter. He will still deny it, or he will simply not address it and move on to some other Camaro-hating topic b/c that's what he does.

ThePill 101:

1) Throw out several possible outcomes, claim you have inside knowledge or expertise in each area...but don't throw them out all at once. Sprinkling them over time, across different threads. When one of them is right, CLAIM YOUR SUPERIOURITY (by the way, I've seen him say he feels the SS weight could be anywhere from under 3,700 pounds, to 3,850 pounds....base SS weight)

2) Word everything in such a way, and throw out so many supporting facts (aka...things he made, up, or mislead) that he actually does sound like an expert and very knowledgeable....people will believe. Post huge threads about details nobody should ever care about.

3) When someone calls you out on your BS, and you have no where to turn, just keep chugging along by not responding and going to a new topic, or respond, but deflect the discussion to a new topic which likely has no real bearing on the BS you've been called out on.

Anyways...sorry that bit of a de-rail....back on topic.

To beat a troll, you must become a troll

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by neutral

How can you make such a sweeping generalization about a forum based on one member? He's the very definition of a vocal minority giving an entire community a bad image. Do you really see members on M6G backing his opinion up? And if you do, honestly, how often does it happen? Almost never. He's either talking to himself or waiting for someone (who has spare time to waste) to call him on his shit.

Don't be ashamed because of "us guys." There's nothing about us to be ashamed of, and the notion of that statement is insulting anyway. Consider feeling pity or frustration that there are people as delusional as him with a mouse and keyboard that can go all loud-speaker on a public forum.

He's delusional, which isn't a bannable offense. If he made more true personal attacks, he'd be banned. I think he somehow grasps these rules and plays around them.




I've hung out with that guy in person back when he had his EB. I think you're looking way too far into the harassment thing; he was light-hearted about it all when I pried into it. After talking about his car (base auto EB), he said it did the job but he wasn't completely psyched about it. He clearly wanted a V8 and a manual, and I'm sure that had way more of a factor in the switch than any kind of bullying. Plus he hardly took a financial hit, which is remarkable.

Neutral - thanks for being that way. This is why I gave kudos to the mustang folks that are reasonable. What do you drive?

[neutral]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

I just posted on the m6G forums, addressing "the pill" on a post of his where he's arguing with a Camaro owner. I basically stated that the fanboys on BOTH sides are ridiculous, and thanked those that give praise to all makes/models when it's due.

I'm sure he's already hit me back. People, please don't play his game. He may end up being right about the weights - the C6 may NOT make the claimed weights. But that's for the future to tell.

I really appreciate your efforts, but the best thing to do with him is ignore him entirely. He posts less and less when people ignore his monologues.

On the other hand, his posting increases exponentially at the mere whiff of opposition. He will always try to get the last word in... there's no point in trying to change his stance on anything.

[neutral]

Originally Posted by classicrockr

Neutral - thanks for being that way. This is why I gave kudos to the mustang folks that are reasonable. What do you drive?

I didn't carry over my username (picked 'neutral' for a reason), but I'm over there with a 2015 GT. I've posted a few times that I'd have a hard time choosing between these two cars right now if I didn't already have one sitting in my garage.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by neutral

I've hung out with that guy in person back when he had his EB. I think you're looking way too far into the harassment thing; he was light-hearted about it all when I pried into it. After talking about his car (base auto EB), he said it did the job but he wasn't completely psyched about it. He clearly wanted a V8 and a manual, and I'm sure that had way more of a factor in the switch than any kind of bullying. Plus he hardly took a financial hit, which is remarkable.

I hope that's true, and I was hoping the switch was more that he wanted one. But he did spend a ton of time justifying the EcoBoost. I payed attention to him becuase the Turbo 4 thing is new to the Ponycar world, so I wanted to see what the guys who owned them were experiencing. He was very active in the forum. He seemed to love it, and was defending it like crazy, but the next thing I know, he had a 5.0! I do still suspect that the guy who approached him at the event got to him a bit. Like I said, it's one thing to be trolled on an internet forum. You almost expect it to happen (expecially if you go with a non-v8 ponycar), but to be trolled in person by a Mustang guy at a Mustang event is going too far in my opinion. And he upgraded right after that event.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by neutral

How can you make such a sweeping generalization about a forum based on one member? He's the very definition of a vocal minority giving an entire community a bad image. Do you really see members on M6G backing his opinion up? And if you do, honestly, how often does it happen? Almost never. He's either talking to himself or waiting for someone (who has spare time to waste) to call him on his shit.

Don't be ashamed because of "us guys." There's nothing about us to be ashamed of, and the notion of that statement is insulting anyway. Consider feeling pity or frustration that there are people as delusional as him with a mouse and keyboard that can go all loud-speaker on a public forum.

He's delusional, which isn't a bannable offense. If he made more true personal attacks, he'd be banned. I think he somehow grasps these rules and plays around them.



I've hung out with that guy in person back when he had his EB. I think you're looking way too far into the harassment thing; he was light-hearted about it all when I pried into it. After talking about his car (base auto EB), he said it did the job but he wasn't completely psyched about it. He clearly wanted a V8 and a manual, and I'm sure that had way more of a factor in the switch than any kind of bullying. Plus he hardly took a financial hit, which is remarkable.

I'm exaggerating a bit with the ashamed part. As far as how can I make a generalization? Why not? I said as a crowd and I'm focusing on the Versus forum. I've been on plenty of other forums. Mustang fanboys in my experience have been the worst of the bunch, on forums and in real life. You have the resident idiot and his butt buddy ToddFastback who goes along with everything he says.

I know it's not the majority on there that are talking smack and making up crap. Some people just continue to spin, and spin, and spin shit though. I'm ready for Chevy to release the damn thing and to see all the specs for it. If the car doesn't lose the weight they promised, then they are liars. Plain and simple.

As far as the idiot goes, I'm done discussing the liar and troll on here. This should probably all get cleaned up. LOL.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Chevy said that the 2016 Malibu leather seats saved something along the lines of 40 pounds from the 2015 model.. I would think something similar was done with Camaro, but that's just guessing.

But what's the difference between the new Malibu's cloth and leather? Obviously if the leather adds heated/cooled/power seats, quiet a bit. I don't think the material itself is much of the difference.