[SpeedIsLife]

As much as I hate to validate anything that clown says...

He is right about the ATS-V weight issue. GM claims a curb of 3,700 lbs and it's been tested at 3,760 lbs and at 3,800lbs.

There is reasonable cause to doubt what any GM rep claims as far as weight. I think it's going to lose weight, but I am suspect of just blindly believing anything.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

As much as I hate to validate anything that clown says...

He is right about the ATS-V weight issue. GM claims a curb of 3,700 lbs and it's been tested at 3,760 lbs and at 3,800lbs.

There is reasonable cause to doubt what any GM rep claims as far as weight. I think it's going to lose weight, but I am suspect of just blindly believing anything.

I've never seen the Caddy chief say in multiple interviews and venues they had a weight target in particular. Just a ballpark figure they were shooting for. Plus there's no weight stigma for the ATS-V like the Camaro and no prior generation car they are trying to improve on in weight. That's an apple to oranges comparison at best.

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[ssrs2lt]

I'm all about options and increased sales..that said I've never had anyone come up to me either in the ss or 2lt and ask does it come in a turbo 4... I just want sales to keep going up and not keep losing to the oval or dodgey brothers..

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

As much as I hate to validate anything that clown says...

He is right about the ATS-V weight issue. GM claims a curb of 3,700 lbs and it's been tested at 3,760 lbs and at 3,800lbs.

There is reasonable cause to doubt what any GM rep claims as far as weight. I think it's going to lose weight, but I am suspect of just blindly believing anything.

Weight is a fact, a number - a measurable thing. It's not really open to interpretation.

Don't believe the guys on the blue oval forum, they haven't the slightest clue what the Camaro weighs. If you still don't believe it is over 200lbs lighter, you never will. Even if you're standing next to the scale, you will be convinced this is lighter than all the other ones on the road due to some GM deception.

Makes me think though. When my dog is acting dumb, or goofy, or just retarded...we call him a pill. Kind of a common name to associate with such behavior. In regards to the Mustang forum "thepill" which came first? The chicken or the egg?

[Red Chief]

Not interested in a 4-cyl Camaro or Mustang.

What I want to know is why in the frackety frack doesn't anybody build a Miata-fighter?

Put a 275hp engine in a small, sporty 2-door RWD and we'll talk.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Not interested in a 4-cyl Camaro or Mustang.

What I want to know is why in the frackety frack doesn't anybody build a Miata-fighter?

Put a 275hp engine in a small, sporty 2-door RWD and we'll talk.

They did.

It's called the FR-S and BRZ

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

They did.

It's called the FR-S and BRZ

Those are around 200 hp not 275. Now if they made a Cruze SS with the 2.0 turbo, that would be a fun car

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

As much as I hate to validate anything that clown says...

He is right about the ATS-V weight issue. GM claims a curb of 3,700 lbs and it's been tested at 3,760 lbs and at 3,800lbs.

There is reasonable cause to doubt what any GM rep claims as far as weight. I think it's going to lose weight, but I am suspect of just blindly believing anything.

It is an obvious concern/puzzling issue....but here is what I think.

A 2ss only needs to be 22lbs less than that ats-v coupe to reach the 200 pound mark. A 1ss will have even less content and needs to be another 30lbs less than that. Which it was last gen. 1ss should have no problem hitting the mark if the 2ss does and visa versa.
Also...the autos are lighter now than they used to be. About equal to the manuals. This should help hitting the mark for the autos even easier.
I think it is do-able. Now with any additional options that don't make the comparison apples to apples to 2015 is not fair. Such as MRC. If the MRC is standard on a 2ss ( im not sure) it is a fair comparison.

The ats-v coupe that was weighed at 3760 had a track pack they were discussing. The sedan was 3800.
Turns out the recaros could actually be just as heavy or heavier than the stock seats. The track pack also comes with an extra battery. They argued for pages but what I took from it is the track pack may or may not save any weight at all and could actually be heavier. The brakes on the caddy are also larger. That adds weight for sure.

Given the Camaro will possibly have less sound deadening and possibly missing some other things will add up also.
Just something as simple as the leather being a higher quality could add weight to the caddy. So many things could add up. Also the Camaro was widened by using longer suspension pieces at the same pickup points. It is slightly larger but was widened in a weight conscious way.

The fact that the Camaro alpha is 80 percent unique/altered for the Camaro doesn't make this is simple as a direct comparison. 1000s of other variables etc are not known. Its all guessing...

[laborsmith]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Not interested in a 4-cyl Camaro or Mustang.

What I want to know is why in the frackety frack doesn't anybody build a Miata-fighter?

Put a 275hp engine in a small, sporty 2-door RWD and we'll talk.

If one is asking why GM does not, a quick glance at the Bowling Green product line should answer. Could Chevy make one? Certainly and I suspect we are only a year or two from knowing that they will.

Is the turbo BRZ and FR-S presently available in the US?

Laborsmith

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Red Chief

Not interested in a 4-cyl Camaro or Mustang.

What I want to know is why in the frackety frack doesn't anybody build a Miata-fighter?

Put a 275hp engine in a small, sporty 2-door RWD and we'll talk.

[laborsmith]

Those too. Of course, neither one bore a bow tie of any color as it rolled off final trim.

Laborsmith

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by laborsmith

If one is asking why GM does not, a quick glance at the Bowling Green product line should answer. Could Chevy make one? Certainly and I suspect we are only a year or two from knowing that they will.

Is the turbo BRZ and FR-S presently available in the US?

Laborsmith

Yes and they are not selling. Initially they were but that was just the handful of enthusiasts buying them. Miata has the hair dresser and poor mid life crisis market locked up. Autox guys are the ones really after these type cars and they aren't buying new cars for that. The redline and gxp were great cars doomed by their manufactures. There just isn't a big enoug market for cheap compact two sport coupes.

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[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

As much as I hate to validate anything that clown says...

He is right about the ATS-V weight issue. GM claims a curb of 3,700 lbs and it's been tested at 3,760 lbs and at 3,800lbs.

There is reasonable cause to doubt what any GM rep claims as far as weight. I think it's going to lose weight, but I am suspect of just blindly believing anything.

You have to remember, neither of those cars were base models. So until we see base weights, we have no idea if GM is lying or not.

[xgnxs]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Yes and they are not selling. Initially they were but that was just the handful of enthusiasts buying them. Miata has the hair dresser and poor mid life crisis market locked up. Autox guys are the ones really after these type cars and they aren't buying new cars for that. The redline and gxp were great cars doomed by their manufactures. There just isn't a big enoug market for cheap compact two sport coupes.

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The turbo BRZ / FR-S aren't in the US. Just the NA engine. With 200 hp and 151 tq, it definitely needs more power. Everyone always says they don't need more power and they're fantastic drivers cars but with a 0-60 of ~6.5 seconds and that weak of an engine I don't think they're competitive in the space. Bump it to 250 / 250 and people might take notice. Even the turbo Cobalt SS had 260 / 260!