[ULTRAZLS1]

This information has been available for a few weeks now.

Not sure how many times they have to say it or how many different ways.

The only thing left to wonder is if they are lying.

I have never seen or had any doubts about any of the wording. They have stated model for model ( even at the reveal ) and they have said 2-300 lbs several times.

Every single camaro no matter the package or engine/ tranny combo is supposed to be 2-300 lbs lighter than its predecessor. Period. Like I said... Is it true?

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

This information has been available for a few weeks now.

Not sure how many times they have to say it or how many different ways.

The only thing left to wonder is if they are lying.

I have never seen or had any doubts about any of the wording. They have stated model for model ( even at the reveal ) and they have said 2-300 lbs several times.

Every single camaro no matter the package or engine/ tranny combo is supposed to be 2-300 lbs lighter than its predecessor. Period. Like I said... Is it true?

Exactly.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Denis

that was a good read.

although im struggling to comprehend this...

who wouldn't buy a car because it isn't offered with a completely out of the ordinary for the platform engine? sure I could see not buying the car because its no longer offered with a V8. The car is known for having a V8. But to not buy a car because it isn't offered with a turbo 4? I think that's kind of odd...

I am assuming you aren't a younger person. I know my nephew (23) and all his friends have absolutely no interest in N/A engines and rarely talk about V8s. They grew up in a world dominated by Turbo 4 bangers while I grew up with V8s as the pinnacle of performance. Having seen what some have done with just 4 cylinders, I understand now their fascination.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I am assuming you aren't a younger person. I know my nephew (23) and all his friends have absolutely no interest in N/A engines and rarely talk about V8s. They grew up in a world dominated by Turbo 4 bangers while I grew up with V8s as the pinnacle of performance. Having seen what some have done with just 4 cylinders, I understand now their fascination.

I'm 30 and when I was growing up the 4 cylinder and " rice burner" crowd had a following. I won't get into what I thought about most of them... But let's just say the fad was growing. The original fast and furious in 2001 ignited this even further. I pretty much lived the coming of the rice burner.

That said I still don't understand where this comes from. They got their ass kicked then and get it kicked now. Not saying that's all that matters. But many of them were/ are very limited on knowledge and think just because they can be fast or look fast on tv they are somehow superior or cooler than the v8. I seriously got so sick of seeing little civics etc with fart cans and 50 shots. It was ridiculous. And they would talk trash and be confident in a run against a h/c ls1! The stupidity blew me away. Weekend after weekend.

This same mind set was around just a few years ago when I was that age... I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. Not all younger people <25 are into the 4 cylinder thing... Just some. Plenty still like a v8 trust me.

Not saying anyone who wants the 4 is dumb or anything. Just reflecting on my experiences and mindset of some of the youth that like 4 cylinders. Many of them are tools. A guy who knows his stuff and builds the smaller motor for the challenge or personal preference is fine that's not what I'm saying. A lot of the 4 cylinder crowd I ran into really didn't like v8 or any American sports/muscle/pony car in general. Very cocky and ignorant.

If anything it seems like it is getting better lately. I blame the disappearance of the camaro and the market going stale for a few years as well. The American v8 machine looks more popular now than it was when I was under 25...

[Denis]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I am assuming you aren't a younger person. I know my nephew (23) and all his friends have absolutely no interest in N/A engines and rarely talk about V8s. They grew up in a world dominated by Turbo 4 bangers while I grew up with V8s as the pinnacle of performance. Having seen what some have done with just 4 cylinders, I understand now their fascination.

im currently 29. it just seems like an odd requirement that someone would have. like for example, I wont buy the next generation skyline if it doesn't come with a V8. dont you think its an odd request to make of a car that isn't known for having a V8?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Denis

im currently 29. it just seems like an odd requirement that someone would have. like for example, I wont buy the next generation skyline if it doesn't come with a V8. dont you think its an odd request to make of a car that isn't known for having a V8?

Not really. There is a significant market for Turbo 4 cars that GM would like to tap into. Think about it this way...the first car you get is a Sonic. You are now ready to move up a notch. You could go to a Cruze or Malibu or you could buy a sporty car. You are comfortable with the 4-banger, so that's where you will probably start looking. Mazda, Subaru, even Ford have them but not GM. There's a niche that they see some opportunity in.

Many won't go that route, but some will. The F&F attitude is a separate issue. Most will never mod enough to be really fast, no matter what they think, but I personally know of a few Turbo 4s around here that will lay waste to most V8 Camaros and Corvettes.

Additionally, most Camaros sold have come with a V6, so I'm not sure the average person really views the Camaro as a V8 car. Enthusiasts often look at that way, though.

[FenwickHockey65]

I'm 23. I'd get the 2.0T for cost reasons, plus it'd be fun to tune a turbo. But if I had the means I'd definitely get an SS.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Not really. There is a significant market for Turbo 4 cars that GM would like to tap into. Think about it this way...the first car you get is a Sonic. You are now ready to move up a notch. You could go to a Cruze or Malibu or you could buy a sporty car. You are comfortable with the 4-banger, so that's where you will probably start looking. Mazda, Subaru, even Ford have them but not GM. There's a niche that they see some opportunity in.

Many won't go that route, but some will. The F&F attitude is a separate issue. Most will never mod enough to be really fast, no matter what they think, but I personally know of a few Turbo 4s around here that will lay waste to most V8 Camaros and Corvettes.

GM could also come to their senses and do a Sonic SS, Cruze SS...but you know, that would make too much sense.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

GM could also come to their senses and do a Sonic SS, Cruze SS...but you know, that would make too much sense.

Totally agree. Cruze hatchback SS would probably sell like hotcakes to this same target audience.

[huggercamaro21]

Im 24. I am first on the list at my dealer for a 16. V8 for me. I think the turbo four is a great option. But not all younger people are into turbo small engines.

[c5Legend]

I would go turbo if I had a v8 Camaro already, turbo just sounds awesome.

[Capricio]

Am I the only one with reservations about running forced induction on a daily driver, or a $30k+ car that I need to pay off? I know Volvo and Subaru and some other brands have have been at it for a while with decent reliability, but many manufacturers have produced turbos in the past that were far from dependable over time. How many 80s Dodges or Mercurs with turbos are running around today? I guess I'm just not up with the current state of things, but increased pressures in smaller engines just doesn't make my mouth water, and probably never will.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Am I the only one with reservations about running forced induction on a daily driver, or a $30k+ car that I need to pay off? I know Volvo and Subaru and some other brands have have been at it for a while with decent reliability, but many manufacturers have produced turbos in the past that were far from dependable over time. How many 80s Dodges or Mercurs with turbos are running around today? I guess I'm just not up with the current state of things, but increased pressures in smaller engines just doesn't make my mouth water, and probably never will.

A lot has changed since then. There is more maintenance with FI over the long term compared to an NA motor of the same size but so few people keep their cars that long nowadays.

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[GroundhogSS]

Originally Posted by Capricio

Am I the only one with reservations about running forced induction on a daily driver, or a $30k+ car that I need to pay off? I know Volvo and Subaru and some other brands have have been at it for a while with decent reliability, but many manufacturers have produced turbos in the past that were far from dependable over time. How many 80s Dodges or Mercurs with turbos are running around today? I guess I'm just not up with the current state of things, but increased pressures in smaller engines just doesn't make my mouth water, and probably never will.

Yes, I feel the same way. Cautious about forced engines for daily use. Old fashioned, I guess. SS V8 for me.