[IOMike]

Since we have one for the Mustang...I guess a Challenger comparison makes sense.

They made some nice improvements for 2015, but I assume they have to have something new coming in 2017? No latter than 2018? It's time to retire that chassis and it's starting to look a bit dated. The interior update was far far far overdue, but with the 2016 Camaro update, they're back in 3rd place for interior again.

Performance wise it's closer to the Camaro than the Mustang, but Camaro has the clear advantage in straight line acceleration. If you didn't feel you needed a large backseat I don't see the point myself.

What do you guys think?

[KMPrenger]

I think the interior in the Challenger is nice, but doesn't have the wow factor to me at all. It doesn't feel like a sports/pony/muscle (whatever term you prefer) car interior.

Anyways, they are supposed to introducing something new (a new generation I think?) around the 2017 or 2018 MY.

[ChefBorOzzy]

"Performance wise it's closer to the Camaro than the Mustang, but Camaro has the clear advantage in straight line acceleration."

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The Mustang GT PP is closer in performance to Camaro in the twisties than the Challenger is.. Challenger with the 6.4 is a beast on the strip though. Camaro should weigh less and it is getting a power boost so it should be a tad quicker in the 1/4 than the Challenger. I'm not even comparing the 5.7 as it's no competition to either the 5.0 or 6.2.

I think Challenger is a great car overall. If you don't need or want something more nimble, it's the best choice of the bunch.

[SpeedIsLife]

Until we get more info on the Camaro I would say it's going to be very close in a straight line.

A base Scat Pack auto is 4 ,175 lbs roughly with the optional light weight wheels. That puts it at right about 8.6 hp/lb but it also puts it at 8.7 tq/lb

Hypothetically a 3,750lb auto SS with 455/455 would be 8.24 hp/lb and 8.24 tq/lb.

So the Scat Pack has a marginally worse hp per pound but equally marginally better torque per pound.

In a proper 1/4 mile drag I would say it's going to come down to who hooks best and doesn't spin.

The Challenger is no corner carver so it's not going to be a contest there.

As far as I know Dodge has no plans on adding DI to the Hemi, so the power ratings are unlikely to change.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

"Performance wise it's closer to the Camaro than the Mustang, but Camaro has the clear advantage in straight line acceleration."

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The Mustang GT PP is closer in performance to Camaro in the twisties than the Challenger is.. Challenger with the 6.4 is a beast on the strip though. Camaro should weigh less and it is getting a power boost so it should be a tad quicker in the 1/4 than the Challenger. I'm not even comparing the 5.7 as it's no competition to either the 5.0 or 6.2.

I think Challenger is a great car overall. If you don't need or want something more nimble, it's the best choice of the bunch.

I was referring to straight line acceleration in the comment about the Challenger being closer. For handling, the Challenger falls in the "does not compete" category.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I think the interior in the Challenger is nice, but doesn't have the wow factor to me at all. It doesn't feel like a sports/pony/muscle (whatever term you prefer) car interior.

Anyways, they are supposed to introducing something new (a new generation I think?) around the 2017 or 2018 MY.

I agree about the interior. It's nice enough, but is not special in any way. I feel the Mustang and now, to a higher degree, the Camaro, is really really unique.

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Until we get more info on the Camaro I would say it's going to be very close in a straight line.

A base Scat Pack auto is 4 ,175 lbs roughly with the optional light weight wheels. That puts it at right about 8.6 hp/lb but it also puts it at 8.7 tq/lb

Hypothetically a 3,750lb auto SS with 455/455 would be 8.24 hp/lb and 8.24 tq/lb.

So the Scat Pack has a marginally worse hp per pound but equally marginally better torque per pound.

In a proper 1/4 mile drag I would say it's going to come down to who hooks best and doesn't spin.

The Challenger is no corner carver so it's not going to be a contest there.

As far as I know Dodge has no plans on adding DI to the Hemi, so the power ratings are unlikely to change.

It's lb / hp not hp / lb. A lower number is better. Scat pack RT is going to be equal to a 1ss for content which will be 3700 lbs or less according to GM. The numbers are going to be more like 8.13 lb per hp/tq.

I also find it a bit odd that the Camaro is rated at 455/455, with no differentiation between the regular exhaust and dual mode, but 5hp isn't a noticeable difference.

There is no reason to believe that Camaro won't be faster. Pretty black and white.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by IOMike

It's lb / hp not hp / lb. A lower number is better. Scat pack RT is going to be equal to a 1ss for content which will be 3700 lbs or less according to GM. The numbers are going to be more like 8.13 lb per hp/tq.

I also find it a bit odd that the Camaro is rated at 455/455, with no differentiation between the regular exhaust and dual mode, but 5hp isn't a noticeable difference.

There is no reason to believe that Camaro won't be faster. Pretty black and white.

By the numbers the Camaro should be a bit faster, but the world of drag racing isn't that simple. We don't know how the new suspension design will handle launches, how the power curve will react, shift logic, etc.

I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you when I ask this: have you spent much time drag racing in competition

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Since we have one for the Mustang...I guess a Challenger comparison makes sense.

They made some nice improvements for 2015, but I assume they have to have something new coming in 2017? No latter than 2018? It's time to retire that chassis and it's starting to look a bit dated. The interior update was far far far overdue, but with the 2016 Camaro update, they're back in 3rd place for interior again.

Performance wise it's closer to the Camaro than the Mustang, but Camaro has the clear advantage in straight line acceleration. If you didn't feel you needed a large backseat I don't see the point myself.

What do you guys think?

And how do you know this? Are we comparing a 6th Gen SS to a 15 392? I'd be surprised if the new SS can run with the 392 never mind run away from it. I could be wrong though. Dodge may also have another up coming bump in HP to 500. Looks well we each have our opinion.

Expectations for this new Gen 6 are high, but remember when many were claiming mid to low 12s for the new GT, instead it's 12:80s - 13:00s, despite all the improvements and technology.

[IOMike]

When people were claiming the GT would do mid to low 12's they were going under the assumption it lost 300lbs when it gained close to 100. Simple logic tells you that the small hp bump was countered by the IRS's inability to put down as much power as a straight axle. The small increase in weight is the reason they're a little slower.

We know for a fact what the LT-1 does as it's in the Stingray. We know the Camaro is at least 200lbs lighter than before, these are not rumors. The Camaro is 400lbs heavier than the Stingray.

If Dodge doesn't change something to the 392, the Gen6 will be faster regardless of your opinion. It weighs nearly 500lbs less for crying out loud so I guess you should be prepared to be surprised.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by IOMike

When people were claiming the GT would do mid to low 12's they were going under the assumption it lost 300lbs when it gained close to 100. Simple logic tells you that the small hp bump was countered by the IRS's inability to put down as much power as a straight axle. The small increase in weight is the reason they're a little slower.

We know for a fact what the LT-1 does as it's in the Stingray. We know the Camaro is at least 200lbs lighter than before, these are not rumors. The Camaro is 400lbs heavier than the Stingray.

If Dodge doesn't change something to the 392, the Gen6 will be faster regardless of your opinion. It weighs nearly 500lbs less for crying out loud so I guess you should be prepared to be surprised.

Maybe you are right we will see. And you should really stop comparing Corvette performance to Camaro especially in regards to Hero runs. Didn't MotorTrend and Others only get low 12s out of the Stingray, where would that put the Camaro 12:50s?

[IOMike]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Maybe you are right we will see. And you should really stop comparing Corvette performance to Camaro especially in regards to Hero runs. Didn't MotorTrend and Others only get low 12s out of the Stingray, where would that put the Camaro 12:50s?

You say not to compare to the Stingray, then immediately reference the Stingray 1/4 mile as an indication of the gen6 1/4 time. I was only referencing its power curve in relation to the LS3.

The low 12 second mag times are either 7 speed manual or a few 6 speed auto times (2014). I don't believe, but could be wrong, they've done full track testing on the A8.

This is the VS section of a soon to be released car. Stats is all we have to go by. I imagine Mags will get an SS for testing around October, maybe September. You Dodge boys are having a really hard time accepting that it appears the SS will be faster at a drag strip.

[WDE]

Just FYI- Scat Packs run 245 rear rubber compared to the Camaro's 275 wide rubber. Both will have 8 speed autos and the same Tremec 6 speeds, but it looks like GM has tweaked the manual gears to be more like the current 1LE.
I like the Challenger, but it's more of a fast, straight line cruiser that the new Camaro will beat in everything way, except back seat and trunk space.

[IOMike]

Challenger uses a much taller tire, so the actual rubber on the ground on their 245's will be much closer to the SS's 275 than the numbers allude to.