[Cuda7050]

My 2012 has a M6 and is lots of fun on spirited drives and on the road course. My daily drive to work on country roads is no problem, but at the drag strip the manual is a real bummer. Hard to get consistently good reaction times, nearly impossible to get good consistent launches and hard on the driveline. Maybe if I lived at the drags I could figure it out, but going only 3 times a year makes it tough. I may go with the A8.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by ender2664

You will find a distaine for an automatic being referred to as a sports car as the term is defined by the driving experience and effort Involved.

So it's only a sports car if it's more difficult to drive? I see. You can call yours a sports car if you wish. I'll call mine a muscle car because, trust me... it's a beast and loaded with muscle.

[PalmerGA]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

I would love the 8-speed, (I already have a M6 ZL1), but I'd take the M6 again just to avoid the AFM.

Range Device = AFM gone. <$200. 10 second install/uninstall. No tune. Warranty intact.

[jai302]

Originally Posted by mt3130

Sounds like you lead quite the life. If you don't mind me asking, how did you get to where you are now?

I find that people that amass fortunes usually have very interesting success stories.

I think it has more to do with making the right decisions rather than amassing fortunes. I let go of my childhood Jurassic Park-influenced dream of being a paleontologist to be what I am today. Either way, I'd by lying if I said I could do all this by myself. I've been supported quite well by my parents and now that I've graduated and I'm a civil engineer, I'm working and making the right use of the resources I have. I own a start-up construction firm here in Dubai and plan on expanding overseas once it grows. My parents' background in engineering and management helps guide me and I try my best to work hard and live wisely ... except the spending on cars, but hey nobody is perfect right? haha

The real success story would be my parents - they're immigrants here from India. Started off middle class and worked their asses off since 1989 as engineers and eventually got into business in the same industry (construction). It really goes to show that with the right amount of determination and hard work, you can achieve anything you want. I plan on eventually moving back home once I've established myself in both places.

Hope that was helpful.. Back on topic, I can't wait to get my hands on the new Camaro! There are a few things about the new Mustang that I like, such as the rear end and the glorious FPC 5.2 V8 in the GT 350, but the SS seems to be head and shoulders better than the non-Shelby 6th gen Mustangs. I didn't like the new Vette cause it looks a bit too plastic but the Camaro looks way better than both the Vette and the Mustang. I'll get the 6-speed manual although I really wanted the 7-speed.

[jai302]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Look at his location, Dubai, ever hear the term (and I don't mean this to be offensive) "Arab money"...

I'm not Arab. My girlfriend is though - and from what I can tell I don't think they get offended from that. So no worries

[ender2664]

"So it's only a sports car if it's more difficult to drive?"
Based on the opinion of those that coined the term, that is correct.
"You can call yours a sports car if you wish. I'll call mine a muscle car because, trust me..."
As discussed above, that would be correct labeling.
I simply call mine a camaro. If someone calls my car a muscle car I correct them and give them my reasoning for it.

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[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by judochop87

BUT with the introduction of the 8L90 I can't help but ignore the cool factor of the paddle shifters, the convenient option of putting her in automatic to cruise, and also what I assume will be better gas mileage.

The "cool factor" of paddle shifters will wear out almost instantaneously. It will not outlast the "cool factor" of a physical shifter.

Manuals are inherently harder to drive. Most people that will purchase a 6th Gen Camaro will purchase an automatic transmission strictly because they don't know how to drive a manual transmission. Most people in America these days cannot, at least people in my generation and younger.

The automatic will win at the drag strip vs the manual. Automatics are an order of magnitude easier to drive. The theoretical performance of the manual will always be higher (and that's why the sticks almost always have the #1 spot with spots #2-20 being taken my autos) since they will always be more efficient. The 8L90 will be a parasitic drag, even more than the 6L80 I'm betting. I bet those extra gears come at an efficiency cost. I doubt it'll get better mileage than a manual. Even with that those extra gears because it just takes more engine to turn them. There is just something to be said about the weight and efficiency.

I'm tired of the TR6060. I was hoping for a 7 speed manual. I'm really hoping GM will work out some of the bugs and improve the synchros. Still, I will get a manual if I purchase a 6th Gen. I will get a manual because these cars should be manuals. No one ever needs to justify buying a manual. Automatics come with a million excuses. If your outward answer for the automatic purchase is "track times and cruising" but the real excuse is you're not proficient at driving a manual, I suggest throwing yourself to the wolves and buying the manual. That's what I did.

People purchasing a dedicated quarter mile track car should buy the automatic. Everyone else that has two functioning arms and legs should buy a manual.

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by LT1since93

If you got a problem, be a man, show some respect to the community, and take it to PM instead of launching the personal attacks in public forums.

I add substance by sharing my experience with testing both the the 8L90 and 7spd in addition to most of the current DCTs. Information that I would have gladly paid for before ordering my Corvette.
Have you tested all of these transmissions yourself, or are you just spewing genuine "diarrhea of the mouth" ???
If you had, there is no way you'd accept a torque converter unless you have a medical condition, which I think it's obvious that you definitely do.

I will be buying my 2016 SS with a stick, and I suggest all those that are capable or driving stick do the same. If not, I warn you to drive the 8L90 for yourself before making the mistake like I almost did.
That is free and friendly advice. Do with it what you will.

Obviously you are not paying attention, or have trouble doing so as it may seem. I simply stated that an auto is good enough for my needs, if I was into road racing, or if this car was my weekend cruiser then yes, I would prefer a manual. Are you following? I dont doubt that the manual with rev matching is a better transmission for racing and those that enjoy rowing gears, but for those of us that just want something we can cruise to work in, and occasionally take to the strip, the auto will work just fine. So take a chill pill before you get banned again, thats my free and friendly advice to you.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by mt3130

That's because the 2014s are two years old at this point, but point taken. I should have said good luck getting any 6th gen SS for $30k.

I will take the 8 speed, because 1) its faster, and 2) I have no interest in driving a manual in rush hour traffic.

It is as easy as it comes to drive a manual in rush our traffic. These electronic throttle bodies don't allow you to stall out. I used that excuse for years, but the real reason was I just wasn't comfortable with a clutch. I'd only driven them here and there. Get the manual, learn to drive it. It'll become second nature. It is a simpler car, a more efficient car, a lighter car and a car you control.

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by LT1since93

It's got nothing to do with "cool". The lag between the moment you pull the lever to the completion of shift on the 8L90 is horrendous. Go test it for yourself.
GMs manual transmissions are recommended for the road course, as per Tague Juechter, because the don't overheat. The 8L90, well.............

I'm aware. They're slush boxes. In a straight line at full throttle it is difficult to beat an automatic because a computer is faster than a human being. In all other situations, a manual is superior. Actual control and instant response is only possible with a manual, and no matter what "manual mode" you use on an automatic the computer is always in charge, not you. I like the idea that I can instantly grenade my motor by throwing it into first gear at 50 mph. Some may consider that a downside

[oldfriend]

Originally Posted by judochop87

Hey guys, long time reader, first time poster. What can I say, I am really looking forward to seeing the new 6 on the streets later this year. I think GM did a great job, the interior looks fantastic, the proportions were reduced just the right amount, the gills are gone, new lighter platform, standard Brembo brakes, magnetic ride suspension and the list goes on. I'm saving up my pennies for an SS early next year.

I've had an RX8 and a GTO both with manual transmissions and I don't have to tell you guys why manuals are so much fun or how the stick enables drivers to feel in complete control of the car, BUT with the introduction of the 8L90 I can't help but ignore the cool factor of the paddle shifters, the convenient option of putting her in automatic to cruise, and also what I assume will be better gas mileage.

What will you be choosing?

edit: mods can we get a poll going?

If you are a purist , go with the manual
If you are going to use it just for fun , like weekend car , same as above
But if you don't really care about it , the traffic is a pain in your area , and are you are going to use her as a everyday commute car , I would get the A8 every time , it will get old very quick getting stuck in traffic with all those horses , and it won't mater how cool she looks
Just my £0.02

[2KWIK4U]

Originally Posted by oldfriend

If you are a purist , go with the manual
If you are going to use it just for fun , like weekend car , same as above
But if you don't really care about it , the traffic is a pain in your area , and are you are going to use her as a everyday commute car , I would get the A8 every time , it will get old very quick getting stuck in traffic with all those horses , and it won't mater how cool she looks
Just my £0.02

+1...Well said

[jai302]

Originally Posted by oldfriend

If you are a purist , go with the manual
If you are going to use it just for fun , like weekend car , same as above
But if you don't really care about it , the traffic is a pain in your area , and are you are going to use her as a everyday commute car , I would get the A8 every time , it will get old very quick getting stuck in traffic with all those horses , and it won't mater how cool she looks
Just my £0.02

Agreed! Perfectly put. This is why we have choices so that everyone can get what fits their requirements best. I don't see myself getting an automatic muscle car because I have other auto cars and I like shifting so a manual V8 fits me better. But for someone who needs the car for everyday use or for drag racing consistently, automatics are better.

I like how the big 3 from Detroit, along with Aston, Jaguar, Porsche and BMW are keeping the manual alive in performance cars. It's always good to have a choice

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by jai302

Agreed! Perfectly put. This is why we have choices so that everyone can get what fits their requirements best. I don't see myself getting an automatic muscle car because I have other auto cars and I like shifting so a manual V8 fits me better. But for someone who needs the car for everyday use or for drag racing consistently, automatics are better.

I like how the big 3 from Detroit, along with Aston, Jaguar, Porsche and BMW are keeping the manual alive in performance cars. It's always good to have a choice

I'm torn, but i'll likely go manual - when i test drove two ZL1, one Auto, one Man - auto did nothing for me, the manual put a huge smile on my face.