[Z/284ever]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

Back in our day, we had to shift uphill, both ways, in two feet of snow!

Without a hydraulic clutch!

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by ssmike

I agree! I was referring to the manufacturers having to be creative to conform to the new Café laws.




By track use do you mean drag strip or road course? I haven't heard anything negative yet about the A8.

He means road course. I also saw a statement from Chevy stating that making an auto that can track as well as a manual is very difficult and if you want to do heavy track duty, you should get the manual.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Z/284ever

Without a hydraulic clutch!

Left leg was so large I walked in circles

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

People went from 3rd to 6th instead of 4th because they weren't used to another bottom gear on the right. I'm sure people missed 2 to 3 and went 2 to 5 when they first drove a 5 spd.

Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

I can confirm this statement. I learned on a CJ5 4 speed Jeep... and when I got my 91 YJ with the 5 speed I went from 2 to 5 a lot at first.

I guess I have to realize not everyone can drive a manual as good as I can, I guess. . I went from learning a 5spd to 6spd no problem. 3 and 4 are always in the "neutral" or middle position. Theres no need to put any left or right pressure between those gears.

No idea how 7 gears works though.

[alcal1084]

Having driven the new stingray I can tell you 7th gear is way out there and the only way to shift into it is by trying to.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

He means road course. I also saw a statement from Chevy stating that making an auto that can track as well as a manual is very difficult and if you want to do heavy track duty, you should get the manual.

Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini have almost completely done away with the manual. These new auto's with the paddle shift are pretty much just like a manual. In traffic and around town the auto is nice, especially on the left leg.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini have almost completely done away with the manual. These new auto's with the paddle shift are pretty much just like a manual. In traffic and around town the auto is nice, especially on the left leg.

Not really sure what you're trying to say to me. I'm just starting what Chevy said. They said if you want to track the car, you should get the manual.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini have almost completely done away with the manual. These new auto's with the paddle shift are pretty much just like a manual. In traffic and around town the auto is nice, especially on the left leg.

Someone who knows more about ATs than me can pipe in, but I think it comes down to the difference between a true "double clutch" AT (like the Europeans) vs a fluid based torque converter AT (like GM uses). I'm guessing that downshifting, even with paddles, in a TC based AT will not have the full "braking" effect that a manual will.

[alcal1084]

In regards to the most track capable GM car currently on the market the fastest variat is the 8speed auto.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Not really sure what you're trying to say to me. I'm just starting what Chevy said. They said if you want to track the car, you should get the manual.

I'm not sure either. I know a lot of people like the manual transmission, but they may become obsolete someday. I believe the Corvette C7R race car uses paddle shift.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Can't really compare race cars to the production cars. Motor Trend just retested the Z06 and they state once again that if you will track the Z06, the manual is the better option. Chevy's words, not mine.

"That said, Corvette chief engineer Tadge Juechter recently told Corvette fans the automatic transmission runs hotter and will go into a preservation mode sooner, so he recommends the manual for serious track duty or when the ambient temperature at the track is above 86 degrees."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3Uqhh2uvP

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Can't really compare race cars to the production cars. Motor Trend just retested the Z06 and they state once again that if you will track the Z06, the manual is the better option. Chevy's words, not mine.

"That said, Corvette chief engineer Tadge Juechter recently told Corvette fans the automatic transmission runs hotter and will go into a preservation mode sooner, so he recommends the manual for serious track duty or when the ambient temperature at the track is above 86 degrees."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3Uqhh2uvP

Sounds like something the aftermarket could solve.

[H13rarchy]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Can't really compare race cars to the production cars. Motor Trend just retested the Z06 and they state once again that if you will track the Z06, the manual is the better option. Chevy's words, not mine.

"That said, Corvette chief engineer Tadge Juechter recently told Corvette fans the automatic transmission runs hotter and will go into a preservation mode sooner, so he recommends the manual for serious track duty or when the ambient temperature at the track is above 86 degrees."

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3Uqhh2uvP

Although it gets hotter wasn't the 8 spd auto actually faster? I recall Randy Pobst mentioning that it will shift when you wouldn't think to like while the car was air born....

[H13rarchy]

Also, wouldn't be surprised if camaro was stuck with a 6m instead of the 7m. I remeber the Cadillac ATS-V had issues fitting the 7m. Either way I would expect it to have both the auto-rev match and no lift shift features.