[Sesiom Summers]

Originally Posted by newb

I can't help but laugh at all of the "lost sales" due to timing. I would bet anything that for every "lost sale" to another car/motorcycle/hot air balloon, there is a convert who sells their car/bike/hot air balloon to get one. The car will sell as many as it will sell. The release date of information does not change the publics opinion of the vehicle. If people like it, they will buy it. And go in debt and upside down to do so. No car has ever flopped when it was a fan favorite just because they waited a few extra months to release it. To think they have missed out on the sweet spot release date is ludicrous.

I will not pretend to know why they have waited but no one outside corporate knows. It could be any number of reasons. From a redesign to a problem to trying sell more 5th Gens before crushing the chances of selling them to enthusiasts. Who knows. But I do know this much. The vast majority of the car buying public is not aware of reveal times. Pays 0 attention to car shows. And is not represented on an enthusiasts forum. Don't believe me? Look at how many 5th Gen cars have been sold and how many members are on here. That will tell you what percent of car buyers look at release dates and the next gen.

For every enthusiast on here, there are 3 people who wander into the dealer and buy what they saw in traffic or the dealer showed them that day. In other words R... E... L... A... X... Lol

you can laugh all what you want buddy, I got you point, but now understand the point of view of the people who don't, or CAN`T wait, like me, I NEED a car to use as DD, I could wait a few months, but then there is the issue about,we don't have a clue about the 6 Gen, Im sure It will be an awesome car but everything at this point is just a rough idea, so now I have to wait for a car I don't have any clue about it, for only jesus and Al Oppenheiser may know how long to finally see a 6Gen, then you have the option to get a 2015 what will be the "old" camaro in less than a year, if that's the case I need to do something else about it, maybe you are rich and can change cars every 6 months but Im not.. so I have to be very careful, so the car Ill get Ill keep it for a long time, so.. if I get the 50th anniversary GT and and the 6G camaro Is the most beautiful car in the world ... Im not going to buy it because I CAN`T

Do I think GM drooped the ball here? YES, the fact that some people are getting tired of waiting should worry GM? I think so. So I think Its unfair you judge people who is honest about an issue that its happening and its only going to get worst with time...

A costumer don't wait for a Company, I bet you will wait until 2020 if its necessary but some people don't and that is as valid as you will to wait as long as it takes to get the 6 gen

ughhh..... dammit

[newb]

So buy a car. You were never promised a 6th gen in 1st qtr 2015. EVER!! To say that you can't wait would not change one bit if they showed you the whole car at the last show and told you it will be available Jan 2016. Then what? There will always be someone who can't/won't wait. That's reality. Go buy a 15 for less than you will get a 16 for anyway. If money is so tight, a 16 probably isn't for you as there will almost definitely be a markup on the first cars anyway. Why do you feel they owe you to show you the car right now?

And I am far from rich. I am a 19.5 year AF veteran. I have worked long and hard to earn my 13. And I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon. I will retire from active duty in a few months and enjoy my car and my life.

[sonnydurden]

Apple is just as tight lipped as GM with their products. You can go buy as many Galaxy's as you want. But Apple still won't leak a picture or release the date of their next iPhone until they get ready.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by Sesiom Summers

Do I think GM drooped the ball here? YES, the fact that some people are getting tired of waiting should worry GM? I think so. So I think Its unfair you judge people who is honest about an issue that its happening and its only going to get worst with time...

A costumer don't wait for a Company, I bet you will wait until 2020 if its necessary but some people don't and that is as valid as you will to wait as long as it takes to get the 6 gen

ughhh..... dammit

The number of people who know about the upcoming 2016 Camaro and are not willing to wait would be a miniscule blip on sales stat sheet when you look at the big picture. Those of us on these websites are a very, very small portion of the buying public. Not to say we are not important but the ranting about timelines of a few months are not something GM worries about.

[mako22]

Originally Posted by Sesiom Summers

Do I think GM drooped the ball here? YES, the fact that some people are getting tired of waiting should worry GM? I think so. So I think Its unfair you judge people who is honest about an issue that its happening and its only going to get worst with time...
ughhh..... dammit

Let me help you out, you seem very distressed.

"Dropping the ball" literally means that there was a promise not kept, or a deadline missed. Neither of these things happened. GM did not drop the ball. No date was ever promised other than this would be a 2016 model.

Your complaint is that GM has not provided details on their next vehicle that aligns with your specific car buying timeline. No ball dropped.

This is about you, it's not about GM. You are upset that you can't get the 6th gen, but to claim that GM has failed all potential buyers and sales will suffer is really ridiculous.

[Capricio]

BUT PLEASE STOP BASHING GM

AMEN! ...and for the record, we'll be deciding where posing questions ends and where bashing begins from here on out.

Originally Posted by newb

I will not pretend to know why they have waited but no one outside corporate knows. It could be any number of reasons. From a redesign to a problem to...

STOP BASHING!!

...now seriously, as someone who got "bashed" for asking a couple questions and wondering out loud, I didn't really see any instance of GM being bashed as a brand. Yeah there are few impatient crybabies but there are also some people that are genuinely curious about the timing. As I said in another thread, I can wait. I *will* wait.

If a person fails to see what can be gained strategically by delaying a reveal any longer and beleives GM would have revealed the car already if they could, that's just an opinion. Please don't put words on our mouths and lump us in with the crybabies. Beleiving without any additional facts that GM is always on time, on schedule, and the reveal date is part of "Grand Design" is also just an opinion. Exaggerating what was said and shouting us down (I still love you, mako22 ) only makes your arguments look weak.

And for the record, I still beleive there will a 16 MY. The car will be great. I will buy one in due time, probably MY2017+. /bashingoff

[DenverTaco07]

[GroundhogSS]

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

Apple is just as tight lipped as GM with their products. You can go buy as many Galaxy's as you want. But Apple still won't leak a picture or release the date of their next iPhone until they get ready.

Yes but many people buy a iPhone because of the name on the front, and not how it looks or what features it has. Look how many people line up to get each new one.

I'm looking forward to the 2016 because I'll finally be ready to afford one. It will be here when it gets here. [ But I hope it is soon also. ]

[mako22]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

hahah good summary!

[mako22]

Originally Posted by Capricio

STOP BASHING!!

While I appreciate the "love", you've got me all wrong. I'm not a GM fanboy, nor do any of my comments have anything to do with some belief that GM is infallible.

The only thing I am a fan of here is rational thinking. There has been no date missed, no timetable moved - therefore it is completely irrational to start concocting theories as to "what is wrong" and "why the delay". There is zero evidence that something is wrong.

The only thing driving your theories is that you (like all of us) are beyond anxious to see the car. You are creating possible explanations because you can't deal with the fact the reveal date is unknown.

Formula to Memorize:
I expected to see the car by now + no reveal yet DOES NOT = Problem

[newb]

And I hope no one takes my comments as bashing as well. I personally find it funny that there are conspiracy theories floating around. That is just good old speculation no different than preparing to watch the Super Bowl. Its the "GM failed me" comments that are annoying. Without going into a long winded pointless comment, this is what's wrong with today's society in many ways. "Why didn't I get what I wanted" and " what's taking so long" have become the popular sentiment with too many people.

Patience young Padawan...

We seem to forget that GM has sold millions if not billions of cars regardless of release date or advertising or what enthusiasts thought was the right way to go. The sales will be dictated by performance, price, and looks. Not when it was first shown to the public.

[Mr Twisty]

I have a strange urge to watch "Rain Man" now.....

[MBS]

Originally Posted by mako22

Let me help you out, you seem very distressed.

"Dropping the ball" literally means that there was a promise not kept, or a deadline missed. Neither of these things happened. GM did not drop the ball. No date was ever promised other than this would be a 2016 model.

Your complaint is that GM has not provided details on their next vehicle that aligns with your specific car buying timeline. No ball dropped.

This is about you, it's not about GM. You are upset that you can't get the 6th gen, but to claim that GM has failed all potential buyers and sales will suffer is really ridiculous.

Thats YOUR Version of dropping the ball.
At no time did we/I say they promised a date nor did we "Bash" GM , What we said was "Did they drop the ball "which on my meaning is did they have a delay, setback ,change of plan on the car/cars or underestimated the time frame of building this 6th gen . Did the hellcat or Mustang power have something to do with this? Did the new 2017 Jag V6 power have something to do with this ? Are they going to make the Camaro more powerful ?
If the car does not hit the streets till 2016 then I would have to assume they did have some type of change or setback or underestimated the whole time frame . Otherwise it doesn't make much sense to say the 5th gen is done after this year only to have a gap between cars , Missing 3 major auto shows and maybe more with potential buyers . If this car does not hit the streets in 2015 which everyday is making it more likely then just having it out in 2016 and showcasing the car In Los Angeles , Detroit and Chicago , Maybe New York? Other manufacturers are doing exactly that , seems to be a more viable business decision then just breaking it out this summer . Their silence and lack of commenting is what they want to do , Fine , No problem , Yet Did they drop the ball?My dropping the ball means they could of dropped it but I have full faith that they can recover the ball and run it in for a touchdown to win the game in overtime . It is not gameover .Some of you are way over sensitive and instantly throw out accusations that have not been said quit putting words in our mouths ,Believe it or not GM is not God they have made mistakes or had setbacks I never Bashed GM I love the Camaro and expect a awesome car , This thread was a question never meant to "Bash" GM or the Camaro just a thought which some on this forum I guess think should never be spoken

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by MBS

Thats YOUR Version of dropping the ball.
At no time did we/I say they promised a date nor did we "Bash" GM , What we said was "Did they drop the ball "which on my meaning is did they have a delay, setback ,change of plan on the car/cars or underestimated the time frame of building this 6th gen . Did the hellcat or Mustang power have something to do with this? Did the new 2017 Jag V6 power have something to do with this ? Are they going to make the Camaro more powerful ?

By that definition I don't think any manufacturer has not dropped the ball at some point before the release of a car. This is exactly why manufactures don't give any time frame until they are ready to unveil the car. The only thing they ever give before an unveiling is the model year the car will be (in this case we have been given 2016).