C7 Z07 vs. GT-R Nismo - Page 3

strykerg8gt · 02-05-2015, 07:37 PM

The GTR is an amazing piece of technology. But I'll take the vette all day long. Preferably the C6 Z06 though. If I'm tracking a car then I wanna know that the time i put down has to do with my skill as a driver not the car's.

Erik427 · 02-06-2015, 06:55 AM

Not a fair fight. Piss poor match up. The Vette is way cheaper and RWD. The Nissan cost far more and is AWD. Two cars for to very different segments. The Nissan has a log cart ride....something that I have not heard about the C7 Vette. Take the Vette, add about $5,000 worth of mods and have a rematch. Buy a truck of your choice with what is left over vs the price of that Nissan. Just saying.....

Stingray · 02-06-2015, 09:06 AM

What may have also hindered the Z06, but does not affect the turbo Nismo, was this test in WS had a DA of at least 2600. That's also HP robbing for any supercharged car.

Randy's post test comments were strange, almost abnormal. He said the Z felt squirrelly... different from other feedbacks although at other tracks with a different Z. Excuses aside, 1.27 is extremely fast at Big Willow but I thought it should have been a sub-1.25 car there. Oh well, till the next test at a different course... Laguna Seca soon!

BaylorCamaro · 02-06-2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Erik427

Not a fair fight. Piss poor match up. The Vette is way cheaper and RWD. The Nissan cost far more and is AWD. Two cars for to very different segments. The Nissan has a log cart ride....something that I have not heard about the C7 Vette. Take the Vette, add about $5,000 worth of mods and have a rematch. Buy a truck of your choice with what is left over vs the price of that Nissan. Just saying.....

The only thing unfair is the price gap. The fact that it is TT V6 AWD vs. Blown V8 RWD shouldn't even be an argument about it being "unfair." The whole point is to compare things. If you want a "fair fight" do they need the same engine, power, suspension, chassis, etc? I'm OK comparing any car to each other, so long as they're similar price range.

With that being said, I'm kind of surprised about the Z06's performance. Still fast, don't get me wrong.

ZYBORG · 02-06-2015, 09:14 AM

Both are amazing vehicles. I would happily take either one.

GretchenGotGrowl · 02-06-2015, 09:21 AM

I'm not surprised at all. Nissan said they were going big with this one and it looks like they did. A 1:27 lap is fast...a 1:25 lap is blistering.

pgviper · 02-06-2015, 10:21 AM

I read somebody else say this and I completely agree.

This isn't as much a z06 fail as it is a nismo triumph. The NISMO GTR is just insane.

Erik427 · 02-06-2015, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

The only thing unfair is the price gap. The fact that it is TT V6 AWD vs. Blown V8 RWD shouldn't even be an argument about it being "unfair." The whole point is to compare things. If you want a "fair fight" do they need the same engine, power, suspension, chassis, etc? I'm OK comparing any car to each other, so long as they're similar price range.

With that being said, I'm kind of surprised about the Z06's performance. Still fast, don't get me wrong.

AWD gives a huge advantage. Twice the traction and being able to push and pull through the turns......Most racing series classify them in different classes......and yes, the price speaks volumes about how much money that was invested into each car. The Nissan won but at twice the price.

BaylorCamaro · 02-06-2015, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik427

AWD gives a huge advantage. Twice the traction and being able to push and pull through the turns......Most racing series classify them in different classes......and yes, the price speaks volumes about how much money that was invested into each car. The Nissan won but at twice the price.

I'm well aware of the advantage of AWD on a track. The point I'm making is that you cannot scream foul when the GT-R has something that the Corvette doesn't. That's like saying you cannot compare the previous gen. Mustang to the 5th gen Camaro because it doesn't have IRS. That's the point of reviews, to see what helps and what is better.

Heck the Corvette is lighter, has a V8 and more power, better aero.

VADER SS L99 · 02-09-2015, 06:44 PM

Two things really stood out to me when I read this article.

1 was the fact that the Z06 was slow in acceleration. 124mph trap speed the Z06 posted in 1\4 mile acceleration is what a C6 Z06 does. I thought it could be horrible DA until I saw that the GTR trapped 126!!!! I suspect that the Z06 only gives you those 650 horses until certain temps are reached and then your running on about 550. There is no other way to explain the math of a 650HP car that weighs 3500lbs trap that slow when the much heavier GTR with 600HP trapped 2mph faster on the same day and track. The Z06 should have out accelerated the GTR on the straights and in acceleration considering the Power/weight ratio.

The 2nd thing is why is a Nismo GTR being tested against the Z06? Why would they pick the much more expensive model to test? There is a track model GTR that cost $115k that would have been a better comparison and even that car cost $10k over the Z06/Z07.

Muscle Car Lover · 02-09-2015, 08:08 PM

Great article and videos!!!

Amazing machines. I just don't get why we can't get non blown (supercharger or turbo) supercars. It's a personal preference, just like naturally aspirated.

AWD is going to win vs RWD most times, but at the price difference, prefer the Vette!

Bhobbs · 02-09-2015, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik427

AWD gives a huge advantage. Twice the traction and being able to push and pull through the turns......Most racing series classify them in different classes......and yes, the price speaks volumes about how much money that was invested into each car. The Nissan won but at twice the price.

The Corvette also has less weight, more power, more downforce, more grip and better brakes. With the Z07 stage 3 aero, it went through turns faster but gave up speed on the straights. With the aero taken off, they gained speed on the straights but lost grip through the turns.

Also, the GTR NISMO is not twice as much. The Z06 as tested was over $100k. Not to mention, the Corvette is supposed to be a bargain super car.

The Z06 got beat fair and square. We shouldn't be making excuses and I sure as hell hope GM isn't.

SR71 · 02-10-2015, 09:43 AM

I love both but if someone is handing me the keys to one, I pick the GTR every time. And wow, that's the first I've seen pictures of the R36...looks outstanding!

DenverTaco07 · 02-10-2015, 10:47 AM

In many reviews i've seen of RWD cars that go up against the GT-R, yes the GT-R performs great...but the drivers many times choose the RWD as the car that is more "fun to drive".

And what price diff are we talking about here 115K to 150K Z06 to GT-R.

well, I can't afford either so I guess it doesn't matter.

I have seen ZL1 to base GT-R comparison that gives ZL1 the "More Fun" to drive, and we are taking a $60K car to a 95K car.

I say GM is doing a great job of giving customers an awesome, more affordable machine compared to what its competition is, performance wise.

Oh, and then there is that awesome sound a V8 gives you over a V6...

02-06-2015, 09:14 AM	#33
ZYBORG Lets roll... Drives: 14' Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: TX/S.FL Posts: 1,496	Both are amazing vehicles. I would happily take either one. __________________

02-06-2015, 09:21 AM	#34
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,127 View My Garage	I'm not surprised at all. Nissan said they were going big with this one and it looks like they did. A 1:27 lap is fast...a 1:25 lap is blistering. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

02-09-2015, 06:44 PM	#38
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Two things really stood out to me when I read this article. 1 was the fact that the Z06 was slow in acceleration. 124mph trap speed the Z06 posted in 1\4 mile acceleration is what a C6 Z06 does. I thought it could be horrible DA until I saw that the GTR trapped 126!!!! I suspect that the Z06 only gives you those 650 horses until certain temps are reached and then your running on about 550. There is no other way to explain the math of a 650HP car that weighs 3500lbs trap that slow when the much heavier GTR with 600HP trapped 2mph faster on the same day and track. The Z06 should have out accelerated the GTR on the straights and in acceleration considering the Power/weight ratio. The 2nd thing is why is a Nismo GTR being tested against the Z06? Why would they pick the much more expensive model to test? There is a track model GTR that cost $115k that would have been a better comparison and even that car cost $10k over the Z06/Z07. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

02-09-2015, 08:08 PM	#39
Muscle Car Lover Drives: 2014 2SS M6 "CHRISTINE" Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Boston Metro North Posts: 2,916 View My Garage	Great article and videos!!! Amazing machines. I just don't get why we can't get non blown (supercharger or turbo) supercars. It's a personal preference, just like naturally aspirated. AWD is going to win vs RWD most times, but at the price difference, prefer the Vette! __________________ "But, House Mormont remembers. The North remembers! We know no King but the King of the North whose name is Stark. I don't care if he's a bastard. Ned Stark's blood runs through his veins. He's my king–from this day until his last day." Mods: ARH headers and hi flow cats, VMAX ported throttle body, CAI air intake, Slowhawk Performance tuning

02-10-2015, 09:43 AM	#41
SR71 Drives: 2012 45th Anniversary 2SS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 345	I love both but if someone is handing me the keys to one, I pick the GTR every time. And wow, that's the first I've seen pictures of the R36...looks outstanding! __________________ Check out my build thread!

02-05-2015, 07:37 PM	#29
strykerg8gt Drives: 2009 Pontiac G8 GT Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Burlington, NJ Posts: 379	The GTR is an amazing piece of technology. But I'll take the vette all day long. Preferably the C6 Z06 though. If I'm tracking a car then I wanna know that the time i put down has to do with my skill as a driver not the car's.

02-06-2015, 06:55 AM	#30
Erik427 Drives: 1970 Camaro, 2011 Mustang GT, 2011 Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Huntington WV Posts: 89	Not a fair fight. Piss poor match up. The Vette is way cheaper and RWD. The Nissan cost far more and is AWD. Two cars for to very different segments. The Nissan has a log cart ride....something that I have not heard about the C7 Vette. Take the Vette, add about $5,000 worth of mods and have a rematch. Buy a truck of your choice with what is left over vs the price of that Nissan. Just saying.....

02-06-2015, 09:06 AM	#31
Stingray just can't get enough Drives: a bunch of fast toys... Join Date: May 2012 Location: SoFla Posts: 3,605 View My Garage	What may have also hindered the Z06, but does not affect the turbo Nismo, was this test in WS had a DA of at least 2600. That's also HP robbing for any supercharged car. Randy's post test comments were strange, almost abnormal. He said the Z felt squirrelly... different from other feedbacks although at other tracks with a different Z. Excuses aside, 1.27 is extremely fast at Big Willow but I thought it should have been a sub-1.25 car there. Oh well, till the next test at a different course... Laguna Seca soon!

02-06-2015, 10:21 AM	#35
pgviper Drives: 67 Pro Touring Camaro Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 253	I read somebody else say this and I completely agree. This isn't as much a z06 fail as it is a nismo triumph. The NISMO GTR is just insane.

02-10-2015, 10:47 AM	#42
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	In many reviews i've seen of RWD cars that go up against the GT-R, yes the GT-R performs great...but the drivers many times choose the RWD as the car that is more "fun to drive". And what price diff are we talking about here 115K to 150K Z06 to GT-R. well, I can't afford either so I guess it doesn't matter. I have seen ZL1 to base GT-R comparison that gives ZL1 the "More Fun" to drive, and we are taking a $60K car to a 95K car. I say GM is doing a great job of giving customers an awesome, more affordable machine compared to what its competition is, performance wise. Oh, and then there is that awesome sound a V8 gives you over a V6...

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