[ClawSS]

Angrybird...aren't those things you listed now code related within the BCM. One glitch in the ignition validates a code in the BCM that engages an electrical solenoid thus overriding/bypassing fail-safe mechanical steering lock?!? You are assuming that the BCM absolutely has to have the mechanically engaged signal for something to happen...it is a big assumption.

Secondly, shifting to neutral in a Toyota situation may not have worked in some cases as the shifters are no longer mechanically connected to the gearbox, but now by wire. You glitch the throttle...lock out the shifter (as done when you try to downshift when your engine is at high RPM or in some possible code that says you cannot shift to neutral when accelerating) you may end up with the out-of-control scenario.

I know that we want to believe in pristine, save your a$$ coding...but sometimes scenarios will pop up that were not tested.

[LikaRokBowTie]

It's amazing how people will forget and go back to buying Toyo's and Lexus after all the drama concerning them,but when it's GM or Ford for that matter,people are ready to break out the torches and pitchforks!I've had my issues with almost every vehicle I've owned,including the above mentioned,but this has not stopped me from buying from them again,if they have something I like.The only problem I have is this could cause values to decrease in cars and trucks not associated with the recalls,that I have a problem with!My new Silverado has some glitches,but I have not received any word on having it looked at,nor do I feel it's that much of an issue for me to take it in.But I will not hesitate to dump a car or truck that is not being fixed after several tries and I'm left stuck with a problem,Lemon Law or trade time will be my only options.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by ClawSS

Angrybird...aren't those things you listed now code related within the BCM. One glitch in the ignition validates a code in the BCM that engages an electrical solenoid thus overriding/bypassing fail-safe mechanical steering lock?!? You are assuming that the BCM absolutely has to have the mechanically engaged signal for something to happen...it is a big assumption.

Secondly, shifting to neutral in a Toyota situation may not have worked in some cases as the shifters are no longer mechanically connected to the gearbox, but now by wire. You glitch the throttle...lock out the shifter (as done when you try to downshift when your engine is at high RPM or in some possible code that says you cannot shift to neutral when accelerating) you may end up with the out-of-control scenario.

I know that we want to believe in pristine, save your a$$ coding...but sometimes scenarios will pop up that were not tested.

The ignition switches have nothing to do with the BCM power that controls the steering column interlock. That part is fed from power that is non switchable. You are assuming total failure electrically and mechanically. The problem is it is too easy to turn the switch off, not a actual failure in the electrical portion. It's exactly like if you just were driving along and turn the switch off manually. Try it I bet your steering won't lock up.

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[TxBandit911]

The media is on a witch hunt, that's the bottom line.

What is it, 14 deaths related to the ignition issue? Out of 2.5 million vehicles, that's actually not bad at all. What a ratio like that I can't help but think, how many of those people would have crashed at some point regardless. We already went over how engine stalling doesn't equal instant crash, and no the steering wheel would not lock, its already been stated that the ignition was to easy to turn to acc. Hanging 10lbs of shit from your key is something I've known not to do since the 80s, as it can cause ignition problems. This crap has just gotten out of hand. These morons keep talking about this .57 fix, but think about it, GM didn't have any friggin money, multiply .57 by 2.5 million...

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

The media is on a witch hunt, that's the bottom line.

What is it, 14 deaths related to the ignition issue? Out of 2.5 million vehicles, that's actually not bad at all. What a ratio like that I can't help but think, how many of those people would have crashed at some point regardless. We already went over how engine stalling doesn't equal instant crash, and no the steering wheel would not lock, its already been stated that the ignition was to easy to turn to acc. Hanging 10lbs of shit from your key is something I've known not to do since the 80s, as it can cause ignition problems. This crap has just gotten out of hand. These morons keep talking about this .57 fix, but think about it, GM didn't have any friggin money, multiply .57 by 2.5 million...

No, the bottom line is that the fix would have cost GM an additional 90 cents per vehicle (http://business.financialpost.com/20...ust-1-per-car/). More than a dozen people died and we don't know how many were injured just to save a few cents. This is despicable and people need to be punished.

Sadly, GM first discovered this issue in 2001, years before any of these vehicles ever hit the road. They had the opportunity to fix this: http://www.npr.org/2014/03/31/297158...-switch-defect .

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

The media is on a witch hunt, that's the bottom line.

What is it, 14 deaths related to the ignition issue? Out of 2.5 million vehicles, that's actually not bad at all. What a ratio like that I can't help but think, how many of those people would have crashed at some point regardless. We already went over how engine stalling doesn't equal instant crash, and no the steering wheel would not lock, its already been stated that the ignition was to easy to turn to acc. Hanging 10lbs of shit from your key is something I've known not to do since the 80s, as it can cause ignition problems. This crap has just gotten out of hand. These morons keep talking about this .57 fix, but think about it, GM didn't have any friggin money, multiply .57 by 2.5 million...

I would bet that you wouldn't be waving the GM flag in this case if one of those 14 were one of your loved ones. You fit right into the corporate way of life with this statement.

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

The media is on a witch hunt, that's the bottom line.

yep, they've even broke out the fancy graphics and taglines like for terror attacks... "Killer Chevrolets, what they knew, when they knew it"

Its always amazing to me when there's dozens of car recalls a year, but they pick one to shine the spotlight on and act like its the first one that ever happened. Was that way with the toyota accelerator thing, and now this.

[Ringo64]

Originally Posted by camaro-dreamer

No, the bottom line is that the fix would have cost GM an additional 90 cents per vehicle (http://business.financialpost.com/20...ust-1-per-car/). More than a dozen people died and we don't know how many were injured just to save a few cents. This is despicable and people need to be punished.

Sadly, GM first discovered this issue in 2001, years before any of these vehicles ever hit the road. They had the opportunity to fix this: http://www.npr.org/2014/03/31/297158...-switch-defect .

90 cents for the part. Why that alone is a small number and hindsight is 20/20 and while the years this affected is no excuse, I can see some reason for not doing it if this only happened in odd cases (which seems it has). If you have a whole line already done and yes, while its 90 cents more per part, what is the cost of getting the vehicles back, the man power of putting them in, etc... that $400,000 SUGGESTION that they list from one email is a lot.

This is by no excuse for not replacing them the next model year or using in another vehicle, that I don't understand, at all.

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

On your point about the steering wheel locking, on an automatic to lock it your transmission has to be in park to be able to turn the key to lock, on the manuals I have owned in the past there has to be either a lever beside the switch or a button on the switch to turn the key to the lock position to lock the steering.. They act as a interlock to prevent what you are suggesting so you would need that to also fail. Both the Cobalt my wife had and the HHR I had were this way, also both the manual and automatic Sky's I had were that way, all of which are on the ignition recall. My Camaro is that way, my Saturn Vue is that way and even my manual tranny S-10 is that way.

That makes sense. Guess I shouldn't post so early in the morning next time

[Normagene]

CBS News today stated a Texas Fed judge Friday will be hearing a request that All Ignition Recalled vehicles registered in the state be immediately taken off the road/parked.

Will GM have to supply a Replacement Vehicle? Will other states follow if it passes, and could the number be enough to bankrupt GM?

This is going to be very very expensive.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Normagene

CBS News today stated a Texas Fed judge Friday will be hearing a request that All Ignition Recalled vehicles registered in the state be immediately taken off the road/parked.

Will GM have to supply a Replacement Vehicle? Will other states follow if it passes, and could the number be enough to bankrupt GM?

This is going to be very very expensive.

I really doubt they can do that.... But GM has said anyone with one of the affected vehicles can get a loaner at no charge until the parts are available to fix their car.http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...-back/6330821/

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by Ringo64

90 cents for the part. Why that alone is a small number and hindsight is 20/20 and while the years this affected is no excuse, I can see some reason for not doing it if this only happened in odd cases (which seems it has). If you have a whole line already done and yes, while its 90 cents more per part, what is the cost of getting the vehicles back, the man power of putting them in, etc... that $400,000 SUGGESTION that they list from one email is a lot.

This is by no excuse for not replacing them the next model year or using in another vehicle, that I don't understand, at all.

Safety related parts tend to need additional scrutiny. Maybe I am alone in this, but I see what happened as a reckless disregard for safety. If the accidents were foreseeable, the company should have done everything in its power to prevent them. Maybe I am a bit more sensitive to this sort of thing than the average consumer. For me, I could care less whether or not this was GM, Ford, Nissan, etc. What I don't understand is why GM simply couldn't build in the added cost of replacing these parts into the MSRP of the vehicles in question the next model year. I also don't understand why a problem which was seen as early as 2001 in the Saturn Ion prototype could not have been fixed by the time the 2005 models were rolling out of the showroom.

[AKA-22]

my steering wheel will not lock unless you take the key out..

[Normagene]

From listening to the news, I've never heard them say that the steering locks, only that the power steering, power brakes, and airbags systems shut off as well as the engine.