12-26-2013, 06:18 PM | #883 | |
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My final answer to who may want a 4 cylinder Camaro is that I would. I grew up during the fuel crises of the '70s, and, oddly, was reading car magazines at the time. Today's version of doom and gloom as far as automotive performance doesn't begin to rate with what I was reading in Motor Trend as a 10 year old. One comparison test was of the two cars then available that could be expected to meet 1975 emissions regulations. They were a Mercedes 220D, and a Mazda RX3 coupe. I recall a editorial on performance modifications that would make today's tuner mag writers blanch, complete with a cartoon representation of a young man on his knees clutching his high performance exhaust system while a state trooper towering over him essentially has his car dismantled over the regulations it breaks. In those days, the big numbers seen in any Motor Trend road test were the fuel economy numbers, and everyone was basically left gagging for performance out of new cars. With those days in the background, when the 3rd gen Camaro was introduced, it had a 4 cylinder standard, a motor hard pressed to move the car with any alacrity. But then, many of the items that make a proper sport coupe were optional at the time, like complete instrumentation, and a decent suspension. A friend of mine bought a '85 Camaro new, in its most basic form save for the fuel injected V6. It had a speedometer and a huge gas gauge for instrumentation, and a suspension soft enough that on my favorite twisty two lane, my '80 Phoenix handled better. When I bought a Camaro with the right stuff, the difference was simply amazing. A modern four cylinder Camaro would not be that sad machine offered back in the day. It would offer lively acceleration, in fact, it would run and hide from a H.O. 5 liter Z28 from the '80s, at least stock, and it will be a car that knows its way down any road you throw at it. I don't really expect 300 hp and 30 mpg, at least not as an overall average. If it pulls that off, that would be brilliant. One reason the four cylinder turbo might make a better choice at the bottom or middle of the range is torque. Consider the difference between the smaller engines in the BMW and Audi compared to the larger ones in the Mercedes and Cadillac. http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...on-test-review Such a motor would, by the way, kind of put it in the face of cars like my FR-S, while delivering similar driving pleasure. It's not quite like the current one, which I found larger, heavier, and less responsive than the FR-S, at least at the same price point as the FR-S. At the same money I spent for the FR-S, the Camaro is actually a very refined grand touring coupe, sort of like the similarly sized Jaguar XK, but with fewer luxuries. It is actually quite genteel compared to a FR-S, which handles like a go-kart, but rides a bit like one as well. The original pony cars were derived from compacts, not mid size cars, or practically full size ones, like the current Camaro is. It will be a good thing for Camaro to return to its roots as far as packaging goes, and when it comes to a four cylinder, I'd want one. Besides, for those who fear losing the V8, consider the idea that you can fit a V8 where you can put a four cylinder, especially one with the extra plumbing for a turbo. When you'll need to worry is when they decide to go with inline 3 cylinders and V6 engines...
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I'll take a torquey electric camaro.
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Final answer, this is all the same, and history repeating itself. Think of the 4 cylinder as a catalytic converter. The hood will room for an LSA, and you could get your own badge and call it the Z28-L1.
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It all comes down to regulations.
For these reasons, the Camaro 1LE is the better value, and it’s fully prepared for weekend track obligations, to boot. Is the modern muscle-car era drawing to a close as corporate average fuel economy standards require fleet averages of 35.5 mpg (6.6 L/100 km) in 2016 and 54.5 mpg (4.3 L/100 km) in 2025? Hard to say, but Oppenheiser sees the government mandate forcing auto makers to balance their fleets. “Theoretically, it means when we project how many Volts we will sell, that will determine how many V-8s we can sell,” he says. “When trucks and Camaros can get fuel economy in the upper 20s and low 30s, that helps the overall picture.” The new reality of CAFE puts Oppenheiser’s team in a tight bind. “We hear this from consumers all the time: They don’t want us to take away the cylinders in their performance cars. They want us to be better at the smaller end,” he says. “At some point, either we price V-8s to control the volume, or we pull cars from the portfolio or look at reducing cylinder counts. If you start doing lower-displacement engines and smaller cylinder counts, you’ve got to ask yourself, is that really a Camaro?” Muscle-car lovers need to brace themselves for the potential departure of these gas guzzlers. The time to buy might be now. |
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I wouldn't mind a 4-banger if I could get one with a 3 speed on the column
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Gm doesn't have a rwd coupe 4 cyl turbo
Plz correct me if I'm wrong Cobalt and cousins, fwd Caddie has a 4 cyl now, but its only awd and auto? Lame I want a gm car that has a turbo 4 cyl rwd, just call it a nova or something
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As long as they keep a V6....but I don't see it selling well...ego thing which is why so many on hear laugh at the V6.
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ATS 2.0 turbo is available in RWD and coupe was just announced for this summer. So you have what you want in a few months. No manual yet though.
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Show me the 4 cylinder version. http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/ss/2014/road-test.html
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