[Dtrimpi87]

Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

Here you go. This totally made my night
Don Mattricks first draft of the announcement for withdrawing the features

http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/...e-announcement

Lmao that's hilarious. Love the last part about Kinect. No way that was actually Mattrick though.

[LIM3]

Originally Posted by Dtrimpi87

Lmao that's hilarious. Love the last part about Kinect. No way that was actually Mattrick though.

I guarantee that's what he was thinking though lol

[Dtrimpi87]

Originally Posted by LIM3

I guarantee that's what he was thinking though lol

Oh I'm sure it was haha I just know there's no way he would right that and release it to the public. I fully agree with every word though.

[Mindz]

That was hilarious. thanks for posting it.

[CJ Man]

Damn why the outcry? First of all gamers won. You're telling me that Microsoft cant provide the same "ground breaking" content because they are eliminating DRM and a 24 hour Internet connection? By conforming to what the majority of gamers want we are somehow restricting the system of its full capabilities? I call Bull$h*t!

Guess I was the only one who though that post is unfunny. Obviously created by a but hurt Xbox fan boy. Good for MS changing their stance. They should be making what we want. Not forcing these so called "innovations" on us. Funny after all their marketing and comments on how gamers have a 360 as their alternative option, they put their tail between their leg and whimpered home. They knew they lost the next gen console wars before it even began.

Plus the whole argument about GameStop goes both ways. Developers force us to pay $60 on games that aren't up to snuff and then try to nickel and dime us for so called "add on" content to "enhance" the experience. If a game sucks we deserve to bring it back and recoup some of our money, or buy a game at a discounted price or rent it (ala game fly) because we are on the fence about it. Funny how the poor developers and publishers have no problem selling us crap games at full price. (Yeah I'm looking at you gears of war judgement)

In reality if Microsoft thought these details were important for gaming innovation and bringing the culture into the future they would have kept it. Proves it wasn't that big of a deal to them.

[FaytalsCamaro]

Originally Posted by CJ Man

Damn why the outcry? First of all gamers won. You're telling me that Microsoft cant provide the same "ground breaking" content because they are eliminating DRM and a 24 hour Internet connection? By conforming to what the majority of gamers want we are somehow restricting the system of its full capabilities? I call Bull$h*t!

Guess I was the only one who though that post is unfunny. Obviously created by a but hurt Xbox fan boy. Good for MS changing their stance. They should be making what we want. Not forcing these so called "innovations" on us. Funny after all their marketing and comments on how gamers have a 360 as their alternative option, they put their tail between their leg and whimpered home. They knew they lost the next gen console wars before it even began.

Plus the whole argument about GameStop goes both ways. Developers force us to pay $60 on games that aren't up to snuff and then try to nickel and dime us for so called "add on" content to "enhance" the experience. If a game sucks we deserve to bring it back and recoup some of our money, or buy a game at a discounted price or rent it (ala game fly) because we are on the fence about it. Funny how the poor developers and publishers have no problem selling us crap games at full price. (Yeah I'm looking at you gears of war judgement)

In reality if Microsoft thought these details were important for gaming innovation and bringing the culture into the future they would have kept it. Proves it wasn't that big of a deal to them.

You do realize one of the big reason we get charges 60 $ a game is businesses like gamestop. Publishers make 0 money of used sales. Its why they started wwith the unlock codes for multiplayer. Since steam doesnt allow used games sales thats why its able to sale brand new games at such low prices. This is what microsoft was going for. When steam first releases it gt the same backlash bt stuck to it. Now its praised like crazy. I wish ms would of stuck with its policies

And for them to change these features doesnt mean it wasnt a big deal. It means making money was a bigger deal

[malave7567]

Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

You do realize one of the big reason we get charges 60 $ a game is businesses like gamestop. Publishers make 0 money of used sales. Its why they started wwith the unlock codes for multiplayer. Since steam doesnt allow used games sales thats why its able to sale brand new games at such low prices. This is what microsoft was going for. When steam first releases it gt the same backlash bt stuck to it. Now its praised like crazy. I wish ms would of stuck with its policies

And for them to change these features doesnt mean it wasnt a big deal. It means making money was a bigger deal

Agreed. I would have loved to see it all play out, but now it's just going to be more of the same.

Oh well, I almost play exclusively on Steam now, so probably going to stick with it.

[CJ Man]

Of course the don't make money on used games. However most people who bought the game used wouldn't have bought the game anyway. Like i said they recoup their money from add on content, extras and online passes.

You proved my point. If it was a big deal they would have stuck to their guns. They tried to push their weight. However we run the industry not them

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

You do realize one of the big reason we get charges 60 $ a game is businesses like gamestop. Publishers make 0 money of used sales. Its why they started wwith the unlock codes for multiplayer. Since steam doesnt allow used games sales thats why its able to sale brand new games at such low prices. This is what microsoft was going for. When steam first releases it gt the same backlash bt stuck to it. Now its praised like crazy. I wish ms would of stuck with its policies

And for them to change these features doesnt mean it wasnt a big deal. It means making money was a bigger deal

Car manufacturers, bands/music labels, book publishers and authors.

None of these people get a second cut of used sales. It's called the first sale doctrine and has been upheld by the Supreme Court dozens of times over the past 150 years.

What makes developers any different from them?

Nothing. If they truly felt this way they'd be suing GameStop and other second hand retailers but they know they'd get bitchslap per by every court until it made its way all the way to the Supreme Court where they run the risk of getting a ruling that says not only can they not force a cut to themselves for second hand sales but they would also have to pay for te other parties legal fees and that's pricey.

Games are $60 because that's what the market will bear. They're also that price because whenever someone tried to reduce prices (2K sports making 30 dollar NFL games) a big powerhouse would come in and put a stop to it (EA signed the NFL exclusivity deal two years after getting their asses handed to them by 2K sports in the NFL franchise games, not jury in sales by in reviews and game quality.

Also steam is currently experimenting with game sharing in the current closed beta according to reports.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by FaytalsCamaro

You do realize one of the big reason we get charges 60 $ a game is businesses like gamestop. Publishers make 0 money of used sales. Its why they started wwith the unlock codes for multiplayer. Since steam doesnt allow used games sales thats why its able to sale brand new games at such low prices. This is what microsoft was going for. When steam first releases it gt the same backlash bt stuck to it. Now its praised like crazy. I wish ms would of stuck with its policies

And for them to change these features doesnt mean it wasnt a big deal. It means making money was a bigger deal

You do realize that Microsoft announced last week that games will be priced for $60. This was before the decision to change the way they handle used games. Even with the restriction on used games, Microsoft had no intention of reducing prices.

[PoorMansCamaro]

still going to enjoy using my xbox for more than gaming. that's really the main reason i'm getting it. i'm sure i'll use it more for tv/internet/Skype than I am playing games.

I just hope the whole cloud thing still works for most games. would be cool to have live weather while i'm playing. and other live updates.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

still going to enjoy using my xbox for more than gaming. that's really the main reason i'm getting it. i'm sure i'll use it more for tv/internet/Skype than I am playing games.

I just hope the whole cloud thing still works for most games. would be cool to have live weather while i'm playing. and other live updates.

I like the cloud idea..... We seem to be in the minority.

[FenwickHockey65]

Anyone think the price will drop at all?

[Mindz]

I like the cloud idea also. Just not sure about FORCING people to be online to play games. Why not give people the choice? Steam has Heroes of Might and Magic that Wifey plays where you can play offline, or if you sign in, you have access to more features/dynasty weapons/etc. So you definitely have incentives to play online and most people play online anyways, but if your cable goes out, you can still play offline. The only difference is that offline gamesaves and cloud based game saves are two separate things.