[BrianGriffin78]

It's not fair to judge younger drivers, because some young drivers are more responsible than drivers in their 30's or 40's. These two kids are idiots. Even though they don't deserve their fate to be like that, there is no one to blame but themselves.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by UncleBenny

Are you saying let's just train everyone to drive a race car and let them loose on the freeway in Corvettes? I don't think that would turn out very well.

I agree with you that this is not the best solution either.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by BrianGriffin78

It's not fair to judge younger drivers, because some young drivers are more responsible than drivers in their 30's or 40's. These two kids are idiots. Even though they don't deserve their fate to be like that, there is no one to blame but themselves.

You have to look at the statistics..then you will easily blame young drivers and their parents who buy them these expensive sports cars as well..

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by mbavenger

I agree with you no kid should have that much HP, just asking for trouble. Most of us old guys have been there before, no common sense, and invincible. Today I am still amazed that I didn't kill myself with some of the things I did back then. Things you learn with age.

Not just with age, but with experience. A kid that drives the crap out of his car every day for a year will know how drive better than a kid that drives it once a week to soccer practice for a year. Now, whether that kid will make better decisions on the ROAD is a different matter. Hopefully the parents will have taught them not to mess around on the streets.

[BrianGriffin78]

Originally Posted by Supermans

You have to look at the statistics..then you will easily blame young drivers and their parents who buy them these expensive sports cars as well..

A week before I got my car I was at the dealer and they just sold a SIM 2SS to someone. I was able to see the car before delivery. I asked who this car is for, and he said a 16yo kid's parents bought it for him. We both shook our head in disgust. I was first nervous when I got my car, it flies, with 400 HP. Having an inexperienced driver behind the wheel does not look good in the odds. That is why insurance is so high for young drivers and the parents all they do is complain about the costs.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by greenrail

And the age old debate rages on.

Basically, people, (what ever age) need to understand vehicle dynamics and Physics as it relates to the operation of a vehicle.

I don't give a rat's rear end what the age is. There are enough old turds like me who drive like idiots as much as there are young turks doing stupid stuff.

Learn what a car can do, learn how it reacts, learn how to manage it properly, and last but not least learn to drive responsibly and defensively.

Too many people expect everyone else to get out of their way, and that just doesn't happen.

Oh, and keep the racing on a track not the street !

I'll go change my depends now!

though, like i just said in my last post, its all about EXPERIENCE.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by BrianGriffin78

A week before I got my car I was at the dealer and they just sold a SIM 2SS to someone. I was able to see the car before delivery. I asked who this car is for, and he said a 16yo kid's parents bought it for him. We both shook our head in disgust. I was first nervous when I got my car, it flies, with 400 HP. Having an inexperienced driver behind the wheel does not look good in the odds. That is why insurance is so high for young drivers and the parents all they do is complain about the costs.

It's about experience and being able to understand how your behavior can hurt yourself, your passengers and pedestrians as well as others driving around who are minding their own business.. The saddest thing is when innocents get killed who do follow the law and don't race on the road. Even a V6 Camaro with 300HP is just as deadly as the 400HP Camaro in the hands of a 16 year old if they have the racing bug in them and watch too many "fast and the Furious" movies..

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by Supermans

It's about experience and being able to understand how your behavior can hurt yourself, your passengers and pedestrians as well as others driving around who are minding their own business.. The saddest thing is when innocents get killed who do follow the law and don't race on the road. Even a V6 Camaro with 300HP is just as deadly as the 400HP Camaro in the hands of a 16 year old if they have the racing bug in them and watch too many "fast and the Furious" movies..

when I was young I got grounded from my car ( a '93 camaro lt ) for a week. I played nothing but Need for Speed Underground the entire week, and when I got my car back I somehow forgot that game physics dont = real physics.... yeaaah, doing 40 and looked up to see a T intersection about 25 ft away. Managed to swing it around, but then put it in the oppoisite ditch LUCKILY no one got got hurt (out in the country, on gravel roads too) and there wasn't any damage to my car.

[camarofanatic]

this is such a terrible thing to hear im 19yrs old and yes ive made my mistakes in driving but my dad has always taught me to never street race and has taught me how to drive a sports car now owning my 2lt camaro so many people my age want to race it and i simply have learned to say no and ive learned that its more enjoyable to cruise around then mashing the the trottle....i think what really promotes street racing is video games like need for speed series and fast and the furious movies they dont realize that its all fantasy.....amatter of fact my friend drives his dads z06 beautiful car and he realizes and respects the car and i have the same respect for my new car

its such a sad thing to see this happen and my heart goes out to the family but teenagers dont have the logic that high speeds =danger my dad drilled that into my head its soo sad

[greenrail]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Statistics will work against your argument though.. It is the young that have far more a problem than the old..

I am sure the stats will indicate that because of sheer numbers pointing at young people. But, being an old fart, I see way too many dipsh*ts out there driving like morons. Sitting in the left lane much slower than the flow of traffic. Turning like their car has a worse case of arthritis than their knees. Driving and not paying attention to anything but what they may or may not see ahead. and the list goes on and on.

Sorry about my Obvious Venting here!!

I have been behind way too many of those drivers also.

And don't get me started about morons on the phone running up my baskside with bulging eyeballs because they aren't paying attention. Espcially when I am moving quit nicely at the appropriate speed of the flow of traffic.

Yeah, it's all over the map in terms of inattentive drivers and incompetent drivers.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by chrisgalles

Keep it on the track.

And being 20, I agree that (most) kids my age don't need to be driving cars that powerful. Obviously it comes down to a case by case basis, but even those that have the temperment and skill for it should start by driving something powerful but not too powerful, and then move up from there.

And even though a track is still dangerous, at least outside variables are more carefully controlled...
- Xanthos

[stratman]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Statistics will work against your argument though.. It is the young that have far more a problem than the old..

You can use statistics to argue any point. Look at it from this angle. How much more time does someone 18-24 spend hopping in and out of a car than someone over 35 or 40? When I was that age we were always going somewhere? now days I basically drive to and from work with a stop for food/ grocery store occasionaly. Back then it was to and from campus, the gym, lunch somewhere, at least one friends house...

That was seriously most days. While they are less experienced, and debatably less mature, they also have more opportunity to get into accidents which can further skew statistics. Maybe he couldn't handle the car and maybe he just couldn't handle the situation. I've seen people flip Beretta's over who just couldn't drive. And if that's the case, it really doesn't matter what you are in.

I see people weaving in and out of traffic every day doing 20 over that aren't racing anyone but are just as dangerous. I look at street racing the same way I look at driving. Use common sense and pick your spots. You don't try to take someone off the line(and trust me the law considers this racing) if a cop is sitting across the intersection and you don't chase a mustang through traffic with a passenger in the car. While I subscribe to the philosophy "Everybody dies. Not everybody truly lives." endangering others who don't make that decision is not acceptable.

[PsyDoc]

Originally Posted by Tim Adams

What a load of BS. If they are properly trained in high performance driving, they can handle anything, at 16 even. Look at Joey Logano, he just turned 19? Tommie Johnson Jr. was drag racing in Iowa, (on the track), before he was 16. Graham Rahal is barely over 20. You do not need to get into your mid 20's. One of the top, top, drivers in F1 is Sebastian Vettel, he is only 21. F1 cars are hands down the most difficult to drive cars on the planet.

The real problem is drivers ed. Every kid should be required to attend a high performance driving school before getting a license. But that costs a ton of money, so who is going to pay for it????

The findings regarding prefrontal cortex development and risk taking behavior is not BS. People with proper training (the ability of someone to take advantage of such training will vary), even those referenced above, does not absolve them from the fact that they are more likely to take unnecessary risks compared to their older peers...period. Does it mean that every kid with an immature prefrontal cortex will take unnecessary risks? No. As a group, are they more likely to take such risks? Yes.

[Brokinarrow]

Originally Posted by PsyDoc

The findings regarding prefrontal cortex development and risk taking behavior is not BS. People with proper training (the ability of someone to take advantage of such training will vary), even those referenced above, does not absolve them from the fact that they are more likely to take unnecessary risks compared to their older peers...period. Does it mean that every kid with an immature prefrontal cortex will take unnecessary risks? No. As a group, are they more likely to take such risks? Yes.

yeeeaaah im gonna go with the Doc on this one sounds like you know your stuff.