[Bob Cosby]

HP = torque * rpm. You cannot have HP without having torque. You can, however, have Tq and no HP...it just wouldn't do you any good in an automotive application.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

LOL. Ok. I'm new to this engine stuff, so thanks for the education.

Have a nice day!

I will be first to admit I am not an expert on cams nor matching them to a motor. My knowledge of camshafts is limited. However, almost every flow chart I have seen has CFM plotted against lift. Certain heads plateau after a certain lift and CFM is no longer on the rise, but flat. I have been told that adding more lift to a cam beyond that point is a waste of time as no additional power will be found beyond the lift point it plateaus. Is that something you disagree with?

[K32 Camaro]

Originally Posted by GrabberB5.Slow

I may be biased but come on man, you gotta give the 5.0 props. Pretty sick when you can go 11.5x N/A with a Boss manifold, CAI, tune, and big and littles. Im not saying the camaros are slow by anymeans, but the engineering on our little 5.0s are pretty sick.

"little" 5.0 is only true on the inside. That is a HUGE block. The only difference in racing terms to me is that the camaros are heavier. Wish I could cut some weight but the gfx I got is kinda counter productive..

Originally Posted by SSOOCH

All I know is that at our local drag strip a Friend of mine with a beefier CAM, headers, exhast, suspension and tuned SS built by JDP Motorsports gets absolutely smoked by My other Friends 2011 5.0 by a full second! The mustang only has aftermarket CAT back exhaust.

With that being said I'll take My Camaro over a Mustang. But the new 5.0 have my full respect!

No offense but your ss friend needs to practice driving, He should clearly win. They are pretty equal cars and the mods bring them up the same way.

Originally Posted by rez333

so you're saying the automatic shifting actually won, but you won? I don't get it.

lol, good one. :P
I'm just saying with an auto it takes alot of the human error our of it. Fact is, the 5.0 is a .1 sec faster in the quarter but in reallity that just means it's a drivers race. I am still a better manual driver so I would still beat him most of the time.

[epatrone]

I was a mustang owner and had a 2011 5.0, it was fast, faster than my SS, but not as defined. You can always take the 6.2 and with light mods become sicker than the stang. Ford did do a fantastic job with the 5.0 so lets put credit where it is deserved. Chevy has the Camaro but see if you can get all those standard goodies on a base 5.0 verses a base SS. dollar for dollar the Camaro is better. anyway my SS 4.6s 0-60, 5.0 4.5s 0-60 who cares?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by epatrone

I was a mustang owner and had a 2011 5.0, it was fast, faster than my SS, but not as defined. You can always take the 6.2 and with light mods become sicker than the stang. Ford did do a fantastic job with the 5.0 so lets put credit where it is deserved. Chevy has the Camaro but see if you can get all those standard goodies on a base 5.0 verses a base SS. dollar for dollar the Camaro is better. anyway my SS 4.6s 0-60, 5.0 4.5s 0-60 who cares?

i think you mean refined? And yes it is is, new platform, IRS, tuned for a better ride. IMHO the Mustang seems like an eager little puppy walways wanting you to play, love both. Now yes, you can MODIFY the Camaro to as quick as a STOCK Mustang, but what is the Mustang is modified too? Considering the Mustang is quicker, handles better and costs way less, how the frak is the Camaro better Dollar for dollar?

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by Stew

i think you mean refined? And yes it is is, new platform, IRS, tuned for a better ride. IMHO the Mustang seems like an eager little puppy walways wanting you to play, love both. Now yes, you can MODIFY the Camaro to as quick as a STOCK Mustang, but what is the Mustang is modified too? Considering the Mustang is quicker, handles better and costs way less, how the frak is the Camaro better Dollar for dollar?

?!?! I must have missed something. When did the base mustang start pulling better than 1g and gain all this handling prowess? It must have been the same time they started offering it with IRS. I remember now, that is why the price on a new GT is so much cheaper than an SS. A base GT with the 301A option package which gets you the Sync (standard on 2013 SS) goes for $33,885. How is this way less than a 1SS that comes with better brakes and handling? A 2012 1SS with the RS package ($1300) and the connectivity package ($125) goes for $34600. Both are similarly equipped and the difference in price is less than a grand. If by costs way less you mean less than a grand difference between two similarly equipped cars then I think you need to stay out of this price point when shopping for your next car.

[orbitearl]

my 2010 6 auto smokes the 2011 mustang 6 manual 3 different cars 5 runs smoked them all

[GrabberB5.Slow]

Originally Posted by earl catron

my 2010 6 auto smokes the 2011 mustang 6 manual 3 different cars 5 runs smoked them all

Mayber they were 2010s cause I ran 2 camaros when I was stock and I pulled a car and a 1/2 on both with 2 runs each.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by earl catron

my 2010 6 auto smokes the 2011 mustang 6 manual 3 different cars 5 runs smoked them all

Sounds like the Mustang needs a driver mod... most likely the Mustang drivers didn't know how to launch and drive their manuals...

What kind of times are your running?

[KXRM]

Most times when either side brags about smoking the other side it is due to a problem in the driver seat not with the car itself.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by KXRM

Most times when either side brags about smoking the other side it is due to a problem in the driver seat not with the car itself.

Because the cars are so close in performance that it comes down to the driver.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

?!?! I must have missed something. When did the base mustang start pulling better than 1g and gain all this handling prowess? It must have been the same time they started offering it with IRS. I remember now, that is why the price on a new GT is so much cheaper than an SS. A base GT with the 301A option package which gets you the Sync (standard on 2013 SS) goes for $33,885. How is this way less than a 1SS that comes with better brakes and handling? A 2012 1SS with the RS package ($1300) and the connectivity package ($125) goes for $34600. Both are similarly equipped and the difference in price is less than a grand. If by costs way less you mean less than a grand difference between two similarly equipped cars then I think you need to stay out of this price point when shopping for your next car.

May need to check your facts there, except for the ZL1, no stock Camaro pulls better than .9g, and the camaparable Mustang the GT500, is right there with the ZL1 and even pulled better ZGs in some comparisons. Since you have to add the Sync to the base mustang, shouldn't you have to add the RS package to get the HID headlights that are standard on the Mustang???

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Stew

May need to check your facts there, except for the ZL1, no stock Camaro pulls better than .9g, and the camaparable Mustang the GT500, is right there with the ZL1 and even pulled better ZGs in some comparisons. Since you have to add the Sync to the base mustang, shouldn't you have to add the RS package to get the HID headlights that are standard on the Mustang???

Wheels/tires have a big effect. A v6 pulls 0.82 g without the RS package. The RS package brings it up to 0.9 g. The old SS before suspension fine tuning would pull 0.92-0.93 g. The mustang no matter if GT 500, boss 302, or GT with track pack pulls 0.97-0.98 g. ZL1 pulls 1g. 1LE is suppose to also pull 1g.

[Dr. Evil]

Originally Posted by Stew

May need to check your facts there, except for the ZL1, no stock Camaro pulls better than .9g, and the camaparable Mustang the GT500, is right there with the ZL1 and even pulled better ZGs in some comparisons. Since you have to add the Sync to the base mustang, shouldn't you have to add the RS package to get the HID headlights that are standard on the Mustang???

I did add in the price of the RS package. Heck, I stopped to look at a couple of stangs today at a local dealership. They had 2, a silver one for $38,xxx and a black one for 39,xxx. Neither one had the track packs and such. Dont you also have to add that to get Brembo brakes? (standard on an SS). The 2012 SS get the FE4 suspension which improves handling over the 10 and 11 models. I'm just comparing the base models and not going into the whole Boss, Laguna Seca and 1LE additions but since you brought that up a new 2013 1LE can easily be had for under $40k with the RS package. Whats the cheapest LS stang you can get?