[Stew]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Why would you compare the average of the gt500 vs the best of the zl1? I think the zl1 is capable of quicker than what some of the mags are showing, but if you have multiple tests for each car, comparing the best of one to the average of the other is just heavy bias.

Exactly!

[Black GT]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Anyone who wins by .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile is at least 5 or 6 car lengths ahead of the competitor if not more.

.4 is no where near5-6 car lengths with these type of times.

At most 2 car lengths.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'd like to see any link to a 2012 GT 500 running 11s in the quarter bone stock. Drag Times lists 6, 1/4 mile runs for GT500s ranging from 12.38 to 12.9...not a single bone stock time in the 11s.

If you consider the 12.1 and 12.3 as accurate for the car, that's ok, but there was no question the MT tester said he ran sub 12s...so it really doesn't matter. In another post, I found all the 1/4 mile runs in at leasst 5 magazines including Mustangs and Fast Fords and no 2011 GT500 broke into the 11s. Here's what I found on GT500s with the performance package by SVT:

Car & Driver 12.4
Motor Trend 12.35
Edmunds 12.4
Autoweek 12.3
Road & Track 12.4
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords 12.02 (using their best driver and every trick in the book)

Not exactly 11 second cars.

If the ZL1 ran under 12s, lets say 11.9, and the average of 6 car magazines equals 12.3 for the current GT500, the difference is .4 seconds, and that's not just slightly faster. Anyone who wins by .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile is at least 5 or 6 car lengths ahead of the competitor if not more.

[2001ragtop]

http://www.slashgear.com/ford-debuts...cago-08212599/

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I doubt you will see the GT500 in March. The earliest I have heard is April. I expect it to be out in June.

I think March is when you can start placing orders.

2013 GT500's will hit dealer lots in Mid to late May. I have a Boss and GT500 on order. If the GT500 doesn't get crazy expensive that will be the one I buy.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 2001ragtop

http://www.slashgear.com/ford-debuts...cago-08212599/

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Stew

I would love to see the ZL1 vs 12 GT500 PP, if nothing else it would be a VERY interesting read for sure!

GM could have easily done this but rather they only supplied a car vs. a Boss LS with 136hp less and straightened the track to give the ZL1 to use its power. Doesn't matter, it's gonna happen soon.

[BATMAN!]

I posted this elsewhere but I thought I would post it here as well. Tomorrow at noon svt chief Engineer and the Shelby marketing manager are answering questions about the Shelby.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

I posted this elsewhere but I thought I would post it here as well. Tomorrow at noon svt chief Engineer and the Shelby marketing manager are answering questions about the Shelby.

Nice. I hope someone asks about a ring time! Since that seems to be the main argument for a lot.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Stew

Exactly!

The difference would be even worse if you went to dragtimes and searched for 2011-2012 Mustang GT500s where the best stock was 12.238 and the worst was 12.98 and there were 6 runs in between. From the magazines and dragtimes, I'm quoting at least 12 GT500s and there were none in the 11s. I would think that would be enough evidence, but Ford fanboys are hard to convince. I'm only talking current GT500 because someone posted that the current GT500 runs 11s and would beat the best time of the MT driver....which isn't true...no one has shown a link to any 2011 - 2012 GT500 bone stock running 11s.

[evolve]

An article recently discovered about track times since everyone here is concerned with them.

"We’ve already heard that the 2013 GT500 droptop will be limited to a relatively poky 155MPH. That’s probably for the best, really. It’s much safer to roll a convertible over at 155 than it would be at, say, a buck-ninety.

During the press conference, however, we heard an interesting factoid, one that got us interested enough to sucker-punch SVT’s Jamal Hameedi for a brief Q-and-A:

Hau Thai-Tang told the press that the 2013 convertible with the SVT Performance Pack, which includes driver-adjustable Bilstein shocks to help the pony posse get over their ZL1 Magnaride envy, is “three seconds faster than the outgoing coupe.”

What does that mean? Mr. Hameedi was happy to help: the 2013 Performance Package convertible is about three seconds a lap ahead of the 2011 Performance Package coupe around Sebring. “Which,” he chuckled, “should give you an idea of where we will be with the coupe.”
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...d/#more-429991

The 2011 ran a 2:58.48 in the hands of SVT, and 3:04.0 in the hands of Car and Driver to compare.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

Your definition of average is highly amusing.

Some folks are math impaired I guess, but i totaled the ETs of 6 runs posted by the magazines and divided that sum by 6 and guess what...that's the average...like it or not.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

The difference would be even worse if you went to dragtimes and searched for 2011-2012 Mustang GT500s where the best was 12.238 and the worst was 12.98 and there were 6 runs in between. From the magazines and dragtimes, I'm quoting at least 12 GT500s and there were none in the 11s. I would think that would be enough evidence, but Ford fanboys are hard to convince. I'm only talking current GT500 because someone posted that the current GT500 runs 11s and would beat the best time of the MT driver....which isn't true...no one has shown a link to any 2011 - 2012 GT500 bone stock running 11s.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...t/viewall.html

11.95 @ 120.77 in a stock 2010 GT500. It is worth repeating it was in a 2010 GT500.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

The difference would be even worse if you went to dragtimes and searched for 2011-2012 Mustang GT500s where the best stock was 12.238 and the worst was 12.98 and there were 6 runs in between. From the magazines and dragtimes, I'm quoting at least 12 GT500s and there were none in the 11s. I would think that would be enough evidence, but Ford fanboys are hard to convince. I'm only talking current GT500 because someone posted that the current GT500 runs 11s and would beat the best time of the MT driver....which isn't true...no one has shown a link to any 2011 - 2012 GT500 bone stock running 11s.

Agree with your points, but there are also no published sub-12 second times for the ZL1. But here we are focusing on quarter mile times when we all know the ZL1 was not designed to shine there. I'm more concerned about the most recent information regarding the improvement over the 2012 GT500 coupe that the 2013 convertible seems to have made. Wouldn't it be a kick in the you-know-what if the 2013 GT500 beat the ZL1 coupe around a track, any track!