[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

I'm not sure why you equate stating the truth as hate. And no, I'm not talking about the rev limiter guy, he didn't even run that fast. One of the mags reported a 12.6, and another a 12.9. I can't remember which ones, but they're all listed in the ZL1 subforum.

They said sub 12s as a corrected time. If you didn't hear it, you did indeed miss it.

It doesn't make sense to use the same correction factor for a turbocharged engine as a supercharged engine. Most turbocharged engines lose less power at altitude due to how the wastegate controls boost. This is NOT the same for supercharged engines, because the amount of boost is usally controlled only by pulley size, not by a wastegate. If you look at regular SAE altitude correction factors for horsepower (for NA engines) you will find that they apply very well for supercharged engines and VERY poorly for turbocharged engines. Treating a supercharged engine like an NA engine in terms of correction makes sense, and works in practice. Treating it like a turbo engine does not.

So I do not think it's guaranteed they used the correction factor that you think they did, and in fact if they're smart they did NOT use it, because it's silly to use the same one for super and turbo engines. Maybe someone can send them an email and ask them.

It's possible the car could run faster at sea level, but not very likely. It's far more likely it would actually run slower, for one simple reason: traction. The correction factors deduct time for the horsepower you lost, but they DO NOT add time for the traction issues you avoided by having less HP. If you wanted to get a really amazing corrected timeslip in a very high horsepower car you'd take the car to the highest elevation you could find. The lesser horsepower makes the car a lot easier to launch and then the horsepower is all "added back in" via the correction factor.

You seen the video. 12.1 was done VERY EASILY and without power shifting. Live with it. You see it happen right in front of you and still want to argue about it? Did that look hard to accomplish to you? Wow...

Not going to argue about the corrections etc...we dont know for sure...pointless.

And your traction argument doesnt really apply hear. He could pick up half a second by going to a nice prepped track with VHT at sea level instead of a random spot on a road course and launching at 4400ft.

Lets just see who wins when they test the 2012 GT500 vs 2012 ZL1. We are just speculatiing for the most part.

[Sax1031]

I hate to burst your bubble but the ZL1 will be testing against the 2013 GT500, not 2012.


I also have serious reservations about the video running being the 12.1 run. For one thing he was on the throttle for nearly 14 seconds or a little longer. I believe they made the run in testing and filmed that video as a "demonstration".

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I hate to burst your bubble but the ZL1 will be testing against the 2013 GT500, not 2012.


I also have serious reservations about the video running being the 12.1 run. For one thing he was on the throttle for nearly 14 seconds or a little longer. I believe they made the run in testing and filmed that video as a "demonstration".

They are not going to test them? Ever? Not one magazine?

Will private owners be taking deliveries in late March like they will with ZL1's?

If not that is a silly comparison. They are not the same model year.

BTW...no bubble of mine will be bursting. I have no stake in either car. Just a car enthusiast.I plan on keeping my current car.

[Sax1031]

The ZR1 just went into production, can't be bought.

The 2012 GT500s are going on crazy clearances right now and are no longer being made.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

They are not going to test them? Ever? Not one magazine?

Will private owners be taking deliveries in late March like they will with ZL1's?

If not that is a silly comparison. They are not the same model year.

BTW...no bubble of mine will be bursting. I have no stake in either car. Just a car enthusiast.I plan on keeping my current car.

The 2013 gt500 will be in showrooms while the 2012 zl1 is for a longer period of time than the 2012 gt500 will be. Nobody cross-shopping the zl1 is going to buy a 2012 gt500, they are going to compare it to the 2013. By the 2012 zl1 hits showrooms you will likely be able to order a 2013 gt500.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

The ZR1 just went into production, can't be bought.

The 2012 GT500s are going on crazy clearances right now and are no longer being made.

Will the gt500 be on the showroom in late march or not? Are they being built for buyers yet? Several people have them on order. Dragoneye expects delivery in late March.

I cant see why they wouldnt do a comparison vs the 2012 if the 2013 isnt ready yet. Have they even released a price yet?

Its simple...when the first prodcution zl1 is on the street will their be a 2013 gt500 on the street yes or no?

If no they should compare it to a 2012 gt500. Then against a 2013 when it is released as well. They should compare both.

[Sax1031]

I doubt you will see the GT500 in March. The earliest I have heard is April. I expect it to be out in June.

I think March is when you can start placing orders.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I doubt you will see the GT500 in March. The earliest I have heard is April. I expect it to be out in June.

Thats cool. To me it would be fair to compare it to both models.

Have to give the ZL1 some limelight for at least a couple months until the new GT500 one ups it.

Good times.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Thats cool. To me it would be fair to compare it to both models.

Have to give the ZL1 some limelight for at least a couple months until the new GT500 one ups it.

Good times.

I think that is a fair point about the 2012 GT500 against a 2012 ZL1. After all it isn't llike all the 07-12 GT500s out there will magically turn into 2013s overnight.

Besides when the 2010 Camaro SS came out everyone still compared it to the 2010 Mustang GT with the 4.6L 3V w/ 315 bhp, and just repeated the tests when the 5.0L 4V was out.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Rock36

I think that is a fair point about the 2012 GT500 against a 2012 ZL1. After all it isn't llike all the 07-12 GT500s out there will magically turn into 2013s overnight.

Besides when the 2010 Camaro SS came out everyone still compared it to the 2010 Mustang GT with the 4.6L 3V w/ 315 bhp, and just repeated the tests when the 5.0L 4V was out.

It would be a natural comparison to compare the 12 GT500 and ZL1. I think you will see the test done.

And the 2010 SS came out before we even had word of a 5.0 Stang, iirc.

Everyone wants to see the 2013 GT500 vs the ZL1 though.

I think the 2012 GT500 vs ZR1 would be an interesting comparison though. In Drag Racing it should be a drivers race with the nearly identical power-to-weight ratios.

[Stew]

I would love to see the ZL1 vs 12 GT500 PP, if nothing else it would be a VERY interesting read for sure!

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Stew

The thing is, no one, even other publications, have gotten 11s yet. motor trend can make excuses all they want, but until 11s are out there, the times we have are 12.1 and 12.3. If I am not mistaken 11 and 12 GT500s HAVE been in the 11s bone stock, so again, if a private owner gets a ZL1 into the 11s, it is still only matching the 11 and 12 GT500. Also the GT to SS is a totally different scenarion. HP and torque wise they are VERY close, the GT500 and ZL1 not so much. It is only logivcal that the one packing and extra 70 HAP and 300 pounds less weight is going to be quicker.

I'd like to see any link to a 2012 GT 500 running 11s in the quarter bone stock. Drag Times lists 6, 1/4 mile runs for GT500s ranging from 12.38 to 12.9...not a single bone stock time in the 11s.

If you consider the 12.1 and 12.3 as accurate for the car, that's ok, but there was no question the MT tester said he ran sub 12s...so it really doesn't matter. In another post, I found all the 1/4 mile runs in at leasst 5 magazines including Mustangs and Fast Fords and no 2011 GT500 broke into the 11s. Here's what I found on GT500s with the performance package by SVT:

Car & Driver 12.4
Motor Trend 12.35
Edmunds 12.4
Autoweek 12.3
Road & Track 12.4
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords 12.02 (using their best driver and every trick in the book)

Not exactly 11 second cars.

If the ZL1 ran under 12s, lets say 11.9, and the average of 6 car magazines equals 12.3 for the current GT500, the difference is .4 seconds, and that's not just slightly faster. Anyone who wins by .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile is at least 5 or 6 car lengths ahead of the competitor if not more.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'd like to see any link to a 2012 GT 500 running 11s in the quarter bone stock. Drag Times lists 6, 1/4 mile runs for GT500s ranging from 12.38 to 12.9...not a single bone stock time in the 11s.

If you consider the 12.1 and 12.3 as accurate for the car, that's ok, but there was no question the MT tester said he ran sub 12s...so it really doesn't matter. In another post, I found all the 1/4 mile runs in at leasst 5 magazines including Mustangs and Fast Fords and no 2011 GT500 broke into the 11s. Here's what I found on GT500s with the performance package by SVT:

Car & Driver 12.4
Motor Trend 12.35
Edmunds 12.4
Autoweek 12.3
Road & Track 12.4
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords 12.02 (using their best driver and every trick in the book)

Not exactly 11 second cars.

If the ZL1 ran under 12s, lets say 11.9, and the average of 6 car magazines equals 12.3 for the current GT500, the difference is .4 seconds, and that's not just slightly faster. Anyone who wins by .4 seconds in the 1/4 mile is at least 5 or 6 car lengths ahead of the competitor if not more.

Why would you compare the average of the gt500 vs the best of the zl1? I think the zl1 is capable of quicker than what some of the mags are showing, but if you have multiple tests for each car, comparing the best of one to the average of the other is just heavy bias.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Why would you compare the average of the gt500 vs the best of the zl1? I think the zl1 is capable of quicker than what some of the mags are showing, but if you have multiple tests for each car, comparing the best of one to the average of the other is just heavy bias.

There have been 100% stock 2011+ in the 11's.

11.8@121 being the quickest 2011-12.