[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

Sorry, but you are wrong about me.

Sure, if McQueary comes to me and says he saw a player shooting himself with a needle, or he saw someone stealing supplies, sure. I might get a tad lacadasical. MAYBE.

Do you not understand what was reported?

An assistan coach came and said I SAW THIS. MITH MY OWN TWO EYES.

I don't have a problem with Paterno thinking something wasn't being told accurately. But considering what was being reported. YES. McQueary doesn't leave my sight until I get to the bottom of this. But I am the most powerful person in the situation. And a child has been horrifyingly brutalized. I get to the bottom of it. I get McQueary and Sandusky together and find out if I have to.
But McQuearys word is PLENTY to go to the police. WITH McQueary. If McQueary is making it up, then he pays.

I would agree with you there, but when you read page 7 of the report and see what Joe Pa said what was reported the story is different then what McQueary reports. McQueary said he saw anal sex, yet Joe Pa reports he said fondling or doing something in sexual nature. Then the story is changed by the time McQueary sits down with Schultz and Curly which has been found out they lied. So I can see how Joe could be at a conflict as hes told one thing and then told another thing by his superiors that report McQueary changed his story. ALL in ALL its a lose lose situation on Joe Pa part as he was dragged into something that he should not been dragged into in the first place. McQueary by law is required to report a crime directly at that moment when it occurs, he did not and now we passing blame onto someone else that shouldn't ever had to deal with this problem.

It's no different then witnessing a murder and not calling the police but instead telling someone else, the more people you drag in the situation the harder it becomes to prove and just more loopholes you give a defense attonery in court.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Did nothing? He reported it to the AD. It was late at night, and Joe wasn't around when it happened. I think the lynching of Paterno is a bit of a stretch, and that's simply my opinion, which we are all entitled to. Facepalm all you want and I'll be happy to return the favor

People get all emotional, just like in politics and in legal battles, and they tend to go with their emotions rather than FACTS, and point blame at anyone they can-- especially people in the public eye. They just want someone to get angry at, it's a mob mentality. I ALREADY SAID that Joe should have done more, but him being attacked like he was the one raping these kids? It's ridiculous. People need to focus their energy and anger elsewhere.

I so agree with you. They focused on the figurehead instead of the figure that did the deeds. They went for the big kill on the wrong man. Sandusky should be hanging by his tiny genitals somewhere right now.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Did nothing? He reported it to the AD. It was late at night, and Joe wasn't around when it happened. I think the lynching of Paterno is a bit of a stretch, and that's simply my opinion, which we are all entitled to. Facepalm all you want and I'll be happy to return the favor

People get all emotional, just like in politics and in legal battles, and they tend to go with their emotions rather than FACTS, and point blame at anyone they can-- especially people in the public eye. They just want someone to get angry at, it's a mob mentality. I ALREADY SAID that Joe should have done more, but him being attacked like he was the one raping these kids? It's ridiculous. People need to focus their energy and anger elsewhere.

I repeat...............Many other children were likely raped due to Joe Pa doing nothing that a reasonable person would have been expected to do. Simple as that.

[BowtieBelle]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I repeat...............Many other children were likely raped due to Joe Pa doing nothing that a reasonable person would have been expected to do. Simple as that.

It's all Joe's fault? Are you kidding me? You're completely blaming him. Wow.





Yeah, as much as I love being patronized, I'm gonna back out of this thread, because it's pointless to debate ethics with people who are so angry over something. No one thinks clearly when they are angry and outraged.

Enjoy the debate y'all.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

You don't necessarily need the testimony of the victim if you have a witness to the act. Especially in the case of a sodomized 10 yr old. The excuses are disturbing to me.

Exactly my man I agree and that is correct, hence why I'm saying all this was on McQueary to begin with as he's the witness, no need for him to get others involved. If you are 100% sure of what you saw theres no need to tell anyone else first besides the police. McQueary in my eyes is at fault and the start of the coverup. Your a 28 year man tour grown enough to do what you have to do without the permission of anyone, including the great Joe PA. As a father he's the person I would be going to kick the shit out of, "Hey you watched my son get raped and 1) you didn't stop it, 2) you didn't call the police instead took it to the coach who is friends with the attacker." Yeah it would be own, ass whipping would commence.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I repeat...............Many other children were likely raped due to Joe Pa doing nothing that a reasonable person would have been expected to do. Simple as that.

In fairness, this also applies to everyone who had knowledge of what happened. This responsibility is held by all who knew, Not more or less than Paterno.

All of them share this burden. Any of them should have spoken up about it.

And the school, IMO, is doing the right thing. Firing all of them for not acting in the most responsible way possible.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

It's all Joe's fault? Are you kidding me? You're completely blaming him. Wow.





Yeah, I'm gonna back out of this thread, because it's pointless to debate ethics with people who are so angry over something. No one thinks clearly when they are angry and outraged.

I don't like being patronized, either. Enjoy the debate y'all.

Uh, no. I am not completely blaming him for what happened up until that point. I do blame him and everyone else at PSU for every child that was likely assaulted after that point.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Sure, Paterno probably should have done more than report it to the athletic director. But people are getting all pissed off and acting on emotion rather than FACTS (just like we seem to do in elections nowadays), and lynching someone who was ultimately NOT responsible for what went on.

Perhaps you are not seeing this the way some of us do.

Joe Paterno has accepted a responsibility. He is in a possition of great influence and resposibility. He's looked up to for guidance and support. He has a greater responsibility than most anyone. If he can't handle it, he needed to gtfo anyway.

If the ones with the most influence and power won't help, then who will?

And nobody is calling for Joes Lynching. Simply agreeing with the fact that he was fired and that he should be ashamed of himslef in this instance.

A person in his possition is supposed to GET SHIT DONE. Not pass the buck on chilid RAPE.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Did nothing? He reported it to the AD. It was late at night, and Joe wasn't around when it happened. I think the lynching of Paterno is a bit of a stretch, and that's simply my opinion, which we are all entitled to. Facepalm all you want and I'll be happy to return the favor

People get all emotional, just like in politics and in legal battles, and they tend to go with their emotions rather than FACTS, and point blame at anyone they can-- especially people in the public eye. They just want someone to get angry at, it's a mob mentality. I ALREADY SAID that Joe should have done more, but him being attacked like he was the one raping these kids? It's ridiculous. People need to focus their energy and anger elsewhere.

beautifully stated

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

Uh, no. I am not completely blaming him for what happened up until that point. I do blame him and everyone else at PSU for every child that was likely assaulted after that point.

Him and everyone else that knew... right?

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

In fairness, this also applies to everyone who had knowledge of what happened. This responsibility is held by all who knew, Not more or less than Paterno.

All of them share this burden. Any of them should have spoken up about it.

And the school, IMO, is doing the right thing. Firing all of them for not acting in the most responsible way possible.

I agree, but Paterno has been described as one of the most powerful men in Pa as just stated on ESPN and I agree. Men in positions like that get things done that others might have trouble with. So IMO Paterno has more responsibility.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by PQ

Perhaps you are not seeing this the way some of us do.

Joe Paterno has accepted a responsibility. He is in a possition of great influence and resposibility. He's looked up to for guidance and support. He has a greater responsibility than most anyone. If he can't handle it, he needed to gtfo anyway.

If the ones with the most influence and power won't help, then who will?

And nobody is calling for Joes Lynching. Simply agreeing with the fact that he was fired and that he should be ashamed of himslef in this instance.

A person in his possition is supposed to GET SHIT DONE. Not pass the buck on chilid RAPE.

Again, Joe shold be fired along with everyone else who didn't act responsibly.

sure Paterno is going to take the majority of the heat as he is the public figure. But if we are really concerned about the kids. Joe is no more responsible than any one else who knew and didn't continue to press the issue. They all dropped the ball ... and they are all being held accountable.

as it should be IMO.

[Russell James]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Did nothing? He reported it to the AD. It was late at night, and Joe wasn't around when it happened. I think the lynching of Paterno is a bit of a stretch, and that's simply my opinion, which we are all entitled to. Facepalm all you want and I'll be happy to return the favor

People get all emotional, just like in politics and in legal battles, and they tend to go with their emotions rather than FACTS, and point blame at anyone they can-- especially people in the public eye. They just want someone to get angry at, it's a mob mentality. I ALREADY SAID that Joe should have done more, but him being attacked like he was the one raping these kids? It's ridiculous. People need to focus their energy and anger elsewhere.

I agree.

Hindsight is so 20/20. Easy to see now, exactly what everybody should have done.

But even that is no sure bet. What if Joe did report it to the police. Who is to say that would have solved anything. The first incident was reported to and investigated by the police. Anything really happen after that?

Joe reported what he heard to school officials who's responsibility it was to handle. Joe was the head football coach, not chief of police. His mistake was trusting those in charge of criminal complaints would fully handle the situation. They didn't and he regrets not doing more. None of us have made perfect decisions throughout our lives.

The only reason this story is all about Joe Pa, is because he is famous. A famous name in a controversial incident sells news.

My controversial opinion is - Joe should sue the school for millions on breach of contract and wrongful termination grounds. Take those millions, add some of his millions and give it all to trust funds for the victims and donations to other child abuse organizations. Make something good out of the situation.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Exactly my man I agree and that is correct, hence why I'm saying all this was on McQueary to begin with as he's the witness, no need for him to get others involved. If you are 100% sure of what you saw theres no need to tell anyone else first besides the police. McQueary in my eyes is at fault and the start of the coverup. Your a 28 year man tour grown enough to do what you have to do without the permission of anyone, including the great Joe PA. As a father he's the person I would be going to kick the shit out of, "Hey you watched my son get raped and 1) you didn't stop it, 2) you didn't call the police instead took it to the coach who is friends with the attacker." Yeah it would be own, ass whipping would commence.

I agree. If the GA wasn't man enough to handle or intervene himself which disgusts me, he should have called 911 immediately. But, he should have stopped the assault on that poor kid. What a coward. But the fact is he did tell Paterno which changed everything. Paterno needed to act.