[PQ]

Originally Posted by rmpackers

An email I just received:
Dear All,

I have now done 4 TV and radio interviews related to this disgrace, and there are greater issues here, to me they are about the mentality of the sporting community at large. The lives, and safety of vulnerable children that were disregarded for the sanctity of football. When you live in Pennsylvania you know football is king, but to this degree signifies deep rooted problems to be addressed. This is not about just Penn State, but about a culture that condones what happened. Just my thoughts…..we have much work to do in all our communities……

Joan

Joan ****
Manager
A Child's Place at Mercy
Allegheny County Child Advocacy Center

Pittsburgh, PA 15219

I disagree. Sounds like she hates her husbands love affair with football. This has nothing to do with football.

Originally Posted by ssump29

I ask you this question PQ what more could he have done at this point when in the pass according to the grand jury when police were made aware and also public wellfare and they had Sandusky addmit to wrong doing back in 98 but nothing came of it, what could Joe have done that would made any difference? All the attacks except one happened prior to Joe being made aware, so the damage was done and had been done so what more could Joe do, its not like he could arrest the guy. The GA was the only and I repeat only one that could have done something since he was the witness. Everyone else is second hand and not allowed by law as far as being allowed in court to testify. Its probably the exact reason why in 98 nothing came from the mother reporting the situtation because she wasn't there to witness it and was told second hand.

He was told about a child being sodomized/raped in the shower the night before. He has the witness to the incident. And arrest could have been made. Even Joe himself says he should have done more.

Put yourself in his shoes. Guy comes to you and tells you the same thing. That they SAW, WITH THEIR OWN EYES a child being raped. You gonna wait till the next day and call your boss and tell him and then go back to business as usual?

Most people woudl PERSONALY see it through to an arrest. PERIOD. At least bring it to light so that OTHER CHILDREN aren't RAPED. Parents would have made sure their kids weren't anywhere near that place or program or Sandusky, or anywhere close. Joe could have been the difference in it not happening to others. And he'll have to live with that.

Originally Posted by TurboTA

Wow. I don't see how he can show his face. Coward.

If I were going to that game I'd be carrying a big ass sign.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Just and FYI. The Feds are coming in to investigate. Were federal laws broken by not reporting the crime. We are getting ready to find out.

[mrray13]

It should have been reported to law enforcement, not just "up the chain of command", as ESPN is reporting. Everyone involved failed. Mike, JoPa, everyone. Sandusky should have had his ass beat when Mike saw what was going on, but simply calling 911 would have worked. Then report it up your chain of command.

JoPa, and everyone involved, should be fired. JoPa had a lot of nerve with his retirement speech, telling the BOD that they didn't need to concern themselves with his job. Bullshit.

Depending on state law, heresay may or may not be admissible in criminal court. Civil court is different. In Illinois, during the pre-trial phase, heresay is allowed. After that, the lawyer better be able to show why the heresay should be admissible, or it's a no go. At least that's my understanding.

Hopefully the Feds do charge everyone involved, although at 84, I can't see JoPa getting any kind of incarceration.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ssump29

So again like you said the PSP would contact the GA for his account of events not Joe and Joe's wouldn't matter as its a second hand account, they would have to go off what the witness told them not what Joe said the witness said and thats required before they even start to look into the matter. Which still can all be for not if the boy isn't willing to talk and at that age I doubt he would.

Sandusky was on that staff previous. The crime is the worst crime possible. You don't just assume McQueary would recant. And assume the kid wouldn't report. You tell that coward McQueary that his ass is testifying or clearing his shit out.

Joe Paterno could very have unknowingly facilitated the situation for other kids to be brutalized by his inaction.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

I disagree. Sounds like she hates her husbands love affair with football. This has nothing to do with football.

He was told about a child being sodomized/raped in the shower the night before. He has the witness to the incident. And arrest could have been made. Even Joe himself says he should have done more.

Put yourself in his shoes. Guy comes to you and tells you the same thing. That they SAW, WITH THEIR OWN EYES a child being raped. You gonna wait till the next day and call your boss and tell him and then go back to business as usual?
Most people woudl PERSONALY see it through to an arrest. PERIOD. At least bring it to light so that OTHER CHILDREN aren't RAPED. Parents would have made sure their kids weren't anywhere near that place or program or Sandusky, or anywhere close. Joe could have been the difference in it not happening to others. And he'll have to live with that.



If I were going to that game I'd be carrying a big ass sign.

awwww the power of hindsight. In the moment if someone comes and tells you something about someone you have known for years that is of the sort you just going to up and believe them right away huh? Key being in the moment you would say I don't believe such and such wouldn't do that I know this person is what you would think. Yes you would want to know more but don't tell me right that moment you are going to jump up and call the police first off. You are going to want it looked into before you potentially report such a crime on a person you have known for years. Joe let the people who should look into the matter and trusted them , yes in HINDSIGHT that was a mistake but you telling me that if you took something to your boss and then looked into it for a week and a half and said oh its nothing you are going to question that. Like I said when you have hindsight its easy to say what you would do but unless you are in that moment you can't say what you would do. And I've been through a similar situation were a supposed rape occured and I was told and first thing I did was look into it not call the police, when both people story wasn't adding up I removed myself from the situation so tell me am I somehow now a bad person since I didn't report it to the police?!?

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

Sandusky was on that staff previous. The crime is the worst crime possible. You don't just assume McQueary would recant. And assume the kid wouldn't report. You tell that coward McQueary that his ass is testifying or clearing his shit out.

Joe Paterno could very have unknowingly facilitated the situation for other kids to be brutalized by his inaction.

Look I get what you are saying but everything you are saying is filled with emotion and not taking the LAW which is tricky as hell into consideration. You do realize must children within the age range that are being raped or whatever never talk about it even when asked and told they will be protected, why else didn't the kids not come forth until now that they are older.

YES JOE could and should have called the police, but it wouldn't have changed the fact or stopped anything unless that victim and enough proof and evidence could have been found to get sandusky off the streets. And I don't care about it being on PSU campus or not, unless he was off the streets period then nothing really matters.

And why is everyone failing to acknowledge that all this couldn't ended in 98 if the District attonery, public welfare, police and mother would have all presued charges against a then ADDMITTING sandusky. I just can't get how everyone is so quick to over look that and say it's all JOE's fault. WTHHHHHHHH

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by ssump29

awwww the power of hindsight. In the moment if someone comes and tells you something about someone you have known for years that is of the sort you just going to up and believe them right away huh? Key being in the moment you would say I don't believe such and such wouldn't do that I know this person is what you would think. Yes you would want to know more but don't tell me right that moment you are going to jump up and call the police first off. You are going to want it looked into before you potentially reported such a crime on a person you have known for years. Joe let the people who should look into the matter and trusted them , yes in HINDSIGHT that was a mistake but you telling me that if you took something to your boss and then looked into it for a week and a half and said oh its nothing you are going to question that. Like I said when you have hindsight its easy to say what you would do but unless you are in that moment you can't say what you would do. And I've been through a similar situation were a supposed rape occured and I was told and first thing I did was look into it not call the police, when both people story wasn't adding up I removed myself from the situation so tell me am I somehow now a bad person since I didn't report it to the police?!?

Just wow. When you a dealing with the rape of a child at your facility that is reported to you by another trusted employee, you better act. Let the police sort it out before another child is brutalized.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ssump29

awwww the power of hindsight. In the moment if someone comes and tells you something about someone you have known for years that is of the sort you just going to up and believe them right away huh? Key being in the moment you would say I don't believe such and such wouldn't do that I know this person is what you would think. Yes you would want to know more but don't tell me right that moment you are going to jump up and call the police first off. You are going to want it looked into before you potentially reported such a crime on a person you have known for years. Joe let the people who should look into the matter and trusted them , yes in HINDSIGHT that was a mistake but you telling me that if you took something to your boss and then looked into it for a week and a half and said oh its nothing you are going to question that. Like I said when you have hindsight its easy to say what you would do but unless you are in that moment you can't say what you would do. And I've been through a similar situation were a supposed rape occured and I was told and first thing I did was look into it not call the police, when both people story wasn't adding up I removed myself from the situation so tell me am I somehow now a bad person since I didn't report it to the police?!?

Sorry, but you are wrong about me.

Sure, if McQueary comes to me and says he saw a player shooting himself with a needle, or he saw someone stealing supplies, sure. I might get a tad lacadasical. MAYBE.

Do you not understand what was reported?

An assistan coach came and said I SAW THIS. MITH MY OWN TWO EYES.

I don't have a problem with Paterno thinking something wasn't being told accurately. But considering what was being reported. YES. McQueary doesn't leave my sight until I get to the bottom of this. But I am the most powerful person in the situation. And a child has been horrifyingly brutalized. I get to the bottom of it. I get McQueary and Sandusky together and find out if I have to.

But McQuearys word is PLENTY to go to the police. WITH McQueary. If McQueary is making it up, then he pays.

[BowtieBelle]

Sure, Paterno probably should have done more than report it to the athletic director. But people are getting all pissed off and acting on emotion rather than FACTS (just like we seem to do in elections nowadays), and lynching someone who was ultimately NOT responsible for what went on.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by Ark5thGenGirl

Sure, Paterno probably should have done more than report it to the athletic director. But people are getting all pissed off and acting on emotion rather than FACTS (just like we seem to do in elections nowadays), and lynching someone who was ultimately NOT responsible for what went on.

Do you think Joe might be somewhat responsible for the children that were likely raped AFTER Joe did nothing???????

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ssump29

And why is everyone failing to acknowledge that all this couldn't ended in 98 if the District attonery, public welfare, police and mother would have all presued charges against a then ADDMITTING sandusky. I just can't get how everyone is so quick to over look that and say it's all JOE's fault. WTHHHHHHHH

I"m not failing to accknowlege that. I said that already.

But again, Joe has a greater responsibility. I have NO IDEA what kind of guy Joe Paterno is. I have great respect for him because of what I've heard over the years.

We will just have to agree to disagree on that. Me? I'd confront Sandusky. Joe knew what Sandusky was doing. I think Joe was a coward. But that's just me.

[BowtieBelle]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

Do you think Joe might be somewhat responsible for the children that were likely raped AFTER Joe did nothing???????

Did nothing? He reported it to the AD. It was late at night, and Joe wasn't around when it happened. I think the lynching of Paterno is a bit of a stretch, and that's simply my opinion, which we are all entitled to. Facepalm all you want and I'll be happy to return the favor

People get all emotional, just like in politics and in legal battles, and they tend to go with their emotions rather than FACTS, and point blame at anyone they can-- especially people in the public eye. They just want someone to get angry at, it's a mob mentality. I ALREADY SAID that Joe should have done more, but him being attacked like he was the one raping these kids? It's ridiculous. People need to focus their energy and anger elsewhere.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Look I get what you are saying but everything you are saying is filled with emotion and not taking the LAW which is tricky as hell into consideration. You do realize must children within the age range that are being raped or whatever never talk about it even when asked and told they will be protected, why else didn't the kids not come forth until now that they are older.

YES JOE could and should have called the police, but it wouldn't have changed the fact or stopped anything unless that victim and enough proof and evidence could have been found to get sandusky off the streets. And I don't care about it being on PSU campus or not, unless he was off the streets period then nothing really matters.

And why is everyone failing to acknowledge that all this couldn't ended in 98 if the District attonery, public welfare, police and mother would have all presued charges against a then ADDMITTING sandusky. I just can't get how everyone is so quick to over look that and say it's all JOE's fault. WTHHHHHHHH

You don't necessarily need the testimony of the victim if you have a witness to the act. Especially in the case of a sodomized 10 yr old. The excuses are disturbing to me.

[GTAHVIT]

Just as a public service announcement.

Please continue to keep it respectful.

So far most everyone has kept their cool. I understand this is a heated topic. But we will have to close it if it goes haywire.

Just a reminder. Thanks,