[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

So Joe is fired, but the guy who directly witnessed the crime in action, will be on the side lines at the next game?

He'll be gone before Saturday.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

The sad part is, this is ALL about Paterno and the children are being left in the dust. I ask everyone. If this was at Anytown USA University with Bill Smith as the head coach.
Would the media care? I say no they would not. It would get a mention and then off to the next crisis.

[G-Oil Guy]

1. I just love how everyone is vilifying Joe but no one is going after the GA who was a 28 year old MAN when he witnessed this. As someone else state, Why is he still employed? Why didn't he go straight to the police

2. Why isn't anyone voicing their displeasure with the District Attorney's office or the local police who knew YEARS before JoePa?!

How many of you actually live here? I do. And I can tell you, the people aren't mad at JoePa like most of you are.

To the guy who quoted me and mentioned the whistleblower act, I believe that only applies to something the CORPORATION is doing not what a former employee is doing.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

1. I just love how everyone is vilifying Joe but no one is going after the GA who was a 28 year old MAN when he witnessed this. As someone else state, Why is he still employed? Why didn't he go straight to the police

2. Why isn't anyone voicing their displeasure with the District Attorney's office or the local police who knew YEARS before JoePa?!

How many of you actually live here? I do. And I can tell you, the people aren't mad at JoePa like most of you are.

To the guy who quoted me and mentioned the whistleblower act, I believe that only applies to something the CORPORATION is doing not what a former employee is doing.

Not sure what you're watching or reading but the GA is getting hammered everywhere. He will not be on the sidelines Saturday. And it says a lot about Penn State loyalists if they aren't furious with Paterno. Truly disgusting. Open your eyes.

[2ndgenz28]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

How many of you actually live here? I do. And I can tell you, the people aren't mad at JoePa like most of you are.

Ok what if was the worst coach ever and Penn never won a game, would he still get a free pass on this like he is getting local???

no he would not, you all would string him up too.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

Not sure what you're watching or reading but the GA is getting hammered everywhere. He will not be on the sidelines Saturday. And it says a lot about Penn State loyalists if they aren't furious with Paterno. Truly disgusting. Open your eyes.

The GA is getting criticized but not to the level of JoePa and according to the board last night, he hasn't been fired and there has been no change in his status.

I am not a Penn State alumnus. I can just approach a situation with out getting overly worked up with no evidence. I can also place the blame where it needs to be focused much much more. The DA's office, the local police and the STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA knew what Sandusky was up to for years and never acted. They just waived their finger at him. They are the ones who should be fired and held to a higher responsibility. Not the coach of the football team.

To 2ndGen, Had it been so no name coach I don't know how they would have reacted. The fact of the matter is that Joe has worked to better the university for over 60 years and has done more good will than most people do in a life time thats a lot of benefit of the doubt that he gets.

[rmpackers]

Originally Posted by PQ

"It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more." - Joe Paterno


The more I read the more disgusted I become. Joe does not talk like someone who had limited knowlege of what went on. But he knew what had happened in at least the one case.

Just wanted to seperate this topic from the sports and college football threads. Seems odd to talk BCS and child rape at the same time.

The key to the whole Joe Pa part, to me, is that Sandusky was allowed to keep coming to the facility. Joe never called the cops which is one thing. But to see him still freely having access to the school after knowing what had been done is just bizzar...................

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

You make some good points but then repeatedly defend Paterno. He ran that institution PERIOD. He could have done whatever or told whoever he wanted. According to his own words, he was told that there was some fondling and inappropriate touching of a child by a grown man naked in the shower. That wasn't enough for him to act? These coaching staffs spend more time with each other than their own families. Do you honestly think that he and McQueary or the other coaches ever discussed it again. He continued to let Sandusky use the facilities and run a program for children knowing full well what happened. He makes me sick. The whole staff makes me sick. THEY KNEW! The FEDS are now involved with the lack of reporting the incident. Joe is in hot water still.

Did you read the indictment? Start there. Joe was cleared by a grand jury of all wrongdoing LEGALLY. Morally, I believe your points are somewhat well founded as I pointed out in my reply to PQ's post. I am not making excuses for Joe - I hope more comes out and that Joe gets the chance to tell us all the rest of the story - that he was told or not told to sweep this under the rug and by whom. I am angry and disgusted at how Penn State handled Sandusky, and upset that Joe did not make McQuery call the police or follow up on what he was told - for this I am angry with Joe. Hell, I am mad that this was NOT handled internally - as in the football team using Sandusky as a tackling dummy until dead then his ass thrown in the incinerator on campus. I have a lot of anger toward Sandusky's wife - a lot of this happened in their home! She did not stop him. The mother of the boy who had Sandusky dead to rights in front of two police officers could have pressed charges and did not. The cops did nothing. The Second Mile did nothing...there were a lot of people who knew about Sandusky and what he was doing that were DIRECTLY involved that did nothing. The one man who was indirectly involved has just been railroaded out of town because he was a figurehead - he did not perpetrate any acts on a child, nor did he directly witness any acts against a child - yet he is being treated as if he held the kids down or participated and that is just wrong - plain and simple. THIS is why I am upset - the focus has been on taking Joe and the entire football program down instead of being on the animal who actually wronged children. Now that Joe is gone, maybe the focus can be directed at those that actually did wrong - where it belongs.

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[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

Did you read the indictment? Start there. Joe was cleared by a grand jury of all wrongdoing LEGALLY. Morally, I believe your points are somewhat well founded as I pointed out in my reply to PQ's post. I am not making excuses for Joe - I hope more comes out and that Joe gets the chance to tell us all the rest of the story - that he was told or not told to sweep this under the rug and by whom. I am angry and disgusted at how Penn State handled Sandusky, and upset that Joe did not make McQuery call the police or follow up on what he was told - for this I am angry with Joe. Hell, I am mad that this was NOT handled internally - as in the football team using Sandusky as a tackling dummy until dead then his ass thrown in the incinerator on campus. I have a lot of anger toward Sandusky's wife - a lot of this happened in their home! She did not stop him. The mother of the boy who had Sandusky dead to rights in front of two police officers could have pressed charges and did not. The cops did nothing. The Second Mile did nothing...there were a lot of people who knew about Sandusky and what he was doing that were DIRECTLY involved that did nothing. The one man who was indirectly involved has just been railroaded out of town because he was a figurehead - he did not perpetrate any acts on a child, nor did he directly witness any acts against a child - yet he is being treated as if he held the kids down or participated and that is just wrong - plain and simple. THIS is why I am upset - the focus has been on taking Joe and the entire football program down instead of being on the animal who actually wronged children. Now that Joe is gone, maybe the focus can be directed at those that actually did wrong - where it belongs.

I agree with you 100%, see my previous posts.

The State Child Welfare knew what he did, they did nothing. The DA for Centre County knew what he did, they did nothing, the local police knew what he did, they did nothing. All of this occurring years before JoePa can be shown to have known.

But JoePa heard a second hand account from a grad student who, depending on which story you read/believe, either saw it first hand and failed to intervene or go to the police, or just heard sexual noises, went home, spoke to his father and then decided to tell JoePa, WOAH, JOEPA'S TO BLAME! CRUCIFY HIM!

I know who I am placing the most blame on and its not the coach of a collegiate football team who never had any interaction with the kids.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

Did you read the indictment? Start there. Joe was cleared by a grand jury of all wrongdoing LEGALLY. Morally, I believe your points are somewhat well founded as I pointed out in my reply to PQ's post. I am not making excuses for Joe - I hope more comes out and that Joe gets the chance to tell us all the rest of the story - that he was told or not told to sweep this under the rug and by whom. I am angry and disgusted at how Penn State handled Sandusky, and upset that Joe did not make McQuery call the police or follow up on what he was told - for this I am angry with Joe. Hell, I am mad that this was NOT handled internally - as in the football team using Sandusky as a tackling dummy until dead then his ass thrown in the incinerator on campus. I have a lot of anger toward Sandusky's wife - a lot of this happened in their home! She did not stop him. The mother of the boy who had Sandusky dead to rights in front of two police officers could have pressed charges and did not. The cops did nothing. The Second Mile did nothing...there were a lot of people who knew about Sandusky and what he was doing that were DIRECTLY involved that did nothing. The one man who was indirectly involved has just been railroaded out of town because he was a figurehead - he did not perpetrate any acts on a child, nor did he directly witness any acts against a child - yet he is being treated as if he held the kids down or participated and that is just wrong - plain and simple. THIS is why I am upset - the focus has been on taking Joe and the entire football program down instead of being on the animal who actually wronged children. Now that Joe is gone, maybe the focus can be directed at those that actually did wrong - where it belongs.

I read it completely. He sugar coats how it was worded to him, but even those words were enough for the most powerful man at that campus to to stop Sandusky right then and there. Regardless what you think his legal obligations were, he failed to act on something he knew for a decade. He ALLOWED Sandusky to have free rein on those children and turned his head.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I read it completely. He sugar coats how it was worded to him, but even those words were enough for the most powerful man at that campus to to stop Sandusky right then and there. Regardless what you think his legal obligations were, he failed to act on something he knew for a decade. He ALLOWED Sandusky to have free rein on those children and turned his head.

Please show where it was stated that Joe knew for a decade. In my reading of the facts it can only be proven that Joe knew in 2002. Everything prior to that was handled by Pennsylvania State Authorities (not university personnel).

And in 2002 Sandusky was no longer Joe's employee. His access to the university was a matter for the administration.

The DA knew and Local Police knew well long before Joe ever knew,

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

The GA is getting criticized but not to the level of JoePa and according to the board last night, he hasn't been fired and there has been no change in his status.

I am not a Penn State alumnus. I can just approach a situation with out getting overly worked up with no evidence. I can also place the blame where it needs to be focused much much more. The DA's office, the local police and the STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA knew what Sandusky was up to for years and never acted. They just waived their finger at him. They are the ones who should be fired and held to a higher responsibility. Not the coach of the football team.

To 2ndGen, Had it been so no name coach I don't know how they would have reacted. The fact of the matter is that Joe has worked to better the university for over 60 years and has done more good will than most people do in a life time thats a lot of benefit of the doubt that he gets.

He stood by while Sandusky ran a childrens program at HIS UNIVERSITY knowing full well what happened.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

There is no doubt there is a lot of blame to go around, but all the other's are not named Joe Paterno. That is what is driving this story and all else is being forgotten. If he is not Joe Paterno we are not discussing this matter at all. The media just would not care. Right or wrong, this is the way it works. Joe had to go.