[ShnOmac]

Okay, I was confused by the article clip I posted. I thought Joe Pa had no idea what was actually going on, It made it sound like he just knew someone was "distraught".

Now after reading a few more articles it sounds like he knew a lot more than what the first article said.....

This is just horrible on so many levels....

Here is the new article I am referring to...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...rno/?hpt=hp_c1

[PQ]

Memo to all of my freinds, family members, kids, and anyone I know. If you don't call the cops if someone tells you a child was being raped on your job don't call on me for sympathy.

- Randy PeQueen

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by PQ

Memo to all of my freinds, family members, kids, and anyone I know. If you don't call the cops if someone tells you a child was being raped on your job don't call on me for sympathy.

- Randy PeQueen

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

This is a tragedy on so many levels. Not the least of which are those poor children. Seeing Jo Pa end his career like this is just a damn shame, but he just didn't do what he needed to do. We have to ask why? If he had made sure it was reported to authorites initially, this would have gone down in such a more positive manner for Joe, the administration and the entire University.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by YO-EL

The reporting followed the chain of command, but Paterno NEVER questioned WHY Sandusky was STILL on the staff years after it was reported.

C'mon, your closest hand picked top assistant coach was reported for sexual abuse on a child, and a year, two three down the road, he's still there and you never ONCE question or ask what ever became of it?

No way....

Its a complete cover up..
University police were never contacted, the University President & Athletic Director did their own "in house investigation" with no other authorities being notified?

Cover up.. Swept under the rug.... Shame on all of them..

Wrong.

Sandusky retired in 1999. He was still allowed access to the football facilities (why I don't know). The Graduate Assistant (he wasn't hired as an assistant coach yet) came to Paterno in 2002 with the allegation.

Paterno reported it to the AD who told Joe he would take care of it.

They then banned Sandusky from the facilities and from bringing kids on Campus. In Joe's eyes that was probably enough.

Besides there are conflicting reports on what the GA told JoePa at the time. Some reports say he witnessed it; others say the GA only heard sexual noises.

Either way, all previous incidents (at least according to the Grand Jury reports) were kept underwraps by the local & university police and the DA. The university administration, nor JoePa had an idea of what was going on. At least thats what is reported until the 2002 incident.

Here is a timeline for you:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143.stm

The real question is: WHY DIDN'T THE GA INTERVENE OR CALL THE POLICE?! YOU DON'T WAIT A DAY THEN GO TELL COACH.

F'n idiots ruining the legacy. I feel JoePa didn't do anything wrong. As is something being repeated by the local authorities.

Edit: I actually live in the area and JoePa is still loved here. The real shame is what happened to the kids, not what JoePa and PSU did or didn't know and the abuse the team (the players) is going to receive for the rest of the season and next few seasons for something they had no control over.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

Wrong.

Sandusky retired in 1999. He was still allowed access. The Graduate Assistant (he wasn't hired as an assistant coach yet) came to Paterno in 2002 with the allegation.

Paterno reported it to the AD who told Joe he would take care of it.

They then banned Sandusky from the facilities and from bringing kids on Campus. In Joe's eyes that was probably enough.

Besides there are conflicting reports on what the GA told JoePa at the time. Some reports say he witnessed it; others say the GA only heard sexual noises.

Either way, all previous incidents (at least according to the Grand Jury reports) were kept underwraps by the local & university police and the DA. The university administration, nor JoePa had an idea of what was going on. At least thats what is reported until the 2002 incident.

Here is a timeline for you:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11311/1188149-143.stm

The real question is: WHY DIDN'T THE GA INTERVENE OR CALL THE POLICE?! YOU DON'T WAIT A DAY THEN GO TELL COACH.

F'n idiots ruining the legacy. I feel JoePa didn't do anything wrong. As is something being repeated by the local authorities.

Edit: I actually live in the area and JoePa is still loved here. The real shame is what happened to the kids, not what JoePa and PSU did or didn't know and the abuse the team (the players) is going to receive for the rest of the season and next few seasons for something they had no control over.

It was reported that Sandusky was at the facillities last week working out. Is that not true, because if it is, that's all I need to know that they ALL must go, NOW.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

It was reported that Sandusky was at the facillities last week working out. Is that not true, because if it is, that's all I need to know that they ALL must go, NOW.

I didn't go to Penn State, but I believe that the football facilities (trainer rooms, coaches offices, video rooms, locker rooms etc) are separate from the alumni/administration gym. This is how it was at my school (at least for basketball, we didn't have football)

Sandusky was only banned from the Football facilities not from the entire university. I'm also willing to bet that part of his retirement package had verbage for continued use of wellness facilities. Again that's just a guess.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

I didn't go to Penn State, but I believe that the football facilities (trainer rooms, coaches offices, video rooms, locker rooms etc) are separate from the alumni/administration gym. This is how it was at my school (at least for basketball, we didn't have football)

Sandusky was only banned from the Football facilities not from the entire university. I'm also willing to bet that part of his retirement package had verbage for continued use of wellness facilities. Again that's just a guess.

Okay, but how could he even be allowed to step foot anywhere on campus and Joe Pa had to know he had access. That's just mind boggling to me. Joe Pa should have asked the administrator's WhyTF is this guy not in jail?

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Okay, but how could he even be allowed to step foot anywhere on campus and Joe Pa had to know he had access. That's just mind boggling to me. Joe Pa should have asked the administrator's WhyTF is this guy not in jail?

1. Penn State is massive, I mean Massive university. It's entirely possible that JoePa was not around when Sandusky was on campus.

2. Sandusky still lived in State College. It wouldn't have been odd for Joe to see him around as the lines between "campus" and "town" are extremely blurred there.

3. If JoePa is the least bit knowledgeable about police work he would know its not like TV where they arrest people immediately. As we do know, he reported it to the AD who told his higher ups who should have informed the police. If JoePa was told that it "was being taken care of" he may have presumed that it was being handled by the proper authorities.

4. Running a major program is a monumental tasks between practices, recruiting, managing players academics, etc its entirely possible that JoePa moved on after reporting it upwards. Remember, JoePa didn't witness anything. He only had the report of what the GA saw. JoePa reported it up. The GA also reported it up another chain besides through JoePa. The GA also followed up on his initial report to the university administration. As the direct witness, he (the GA) should have been the one following up.

5. The GA should have been the one to call the police/intervene and he did neither. He's not completely off the hook here either.

6. I'm fairly confident that had the incidents that occurred prior to 2002 been brought to Joe's attention, especially when Sandusky was still working for him, JoePa would have had him drawn and quartered himself.

[2ndgenz28]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

I didn't go to Penn State, but I believe that the football facilities (trainer rooms, coaches offices, video rooms, locker rooms etc) are separate from the alumni/administration gym. This is how it was at my school (at least for basketball, we didn't have football)

Sandusky was only banned from the Football facilities not from the entire university. I'm also willing to bet that part of his retirement package had verbage for continued use of wellness facilities. Again that's just a guess.

Alum and donators are allowed to use the big university here.

[nasty2ss]

I agree 100% that the GA should of called the police. It kind makes me wonder what kind of power Joe Pa has there. Was the GA told not to call the police? It just sounds odd all the people that knew no thought the right thing to do is call the police? way too much money involved in this scandel. The whole story makes me sick. I even wonder whether the victims were paid off

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by nasty2ss

I agree 100% that the GA should of called the police. It kind makes me wonder what kind of power Joe Pa has there. Was the GA told not to call the police? It just sounds odd all the people that knew no thought the right thing to do is call the police? way too much money involved in this scandel. The whole story makes me sick. I even wonder whether the victims were paid off

JoePa wields a lot of power within the State and the University. However, he rarely throws his weight around. He mainly did it to get contract extensions. Never really any other time.

That being said, please read the timeline I provided before. The local authorities ALREADY KNEW long before it was even brought up to JoePa. For whatever reason, the DA and the local authorities chose not to act. That is not the fault of the University or JoePa as the DA and the police are the sole arbiters of when to arrest and prosecute someone.

For example, a close friend was once accused of rape. I was interviewed, some of our friends were, and in the end the DA and the police chose not to arrest/prosecute for lack of evidence/credibility of the accuser. Not one person in our social circle found it out to see Him walking around campus and still going to class. Though the university did pull the accuser and the accused from all classes together until the DA made their decision. After which the university conducted a similar investigation and found that no violations of the university's honor code and conduct code had occurred, citing the same things that the DA had in the first place. However, the only reason that the university even got involved was the "event" occurred on university property and the university police responded to the complaint call.

Finally, I don't believe the victims were paid off. As seen in the timelines it was the victims family members who brought this to the attention of the authorities.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Oh, also, what about the muriel of Sandusky on the football stadium/complex that they JUST today painted over. Why was that even still up there? They still had this guys picture on the football stadium up until today. What does that tell you?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

The real question is: WHY DIDN'T THE GA INTERVENE OR CALL THE POLICE?! YOU DON'T WAIT A DAY THEN GO TELL COACH.

I totaly agree.

BUT, again, put yourself in Joes shoes. GA comes to you and reports that he SAW that. Heard, saw, doesn't matter, you have to protect what you love. And for Joe it was his program in this case. To simply report it and forget it is negligence. RAPE??? I'm sorry, but I know better than that.

I'm NOT saying Joe Paterno should be held criminaly responsible, but he let down that kid and a few kids later as well. And so did ANYONE at that school with knowlege of this at the time.

So, Joe Paterno has the power to tell the whole school "Screw you, I'm not quiting. I'll coach until I decide I want to quit" but doesn't have the power to make sure Sandusky is brought to light? The GA waited a day to report what he witnessed and Joe waited another day to report after that. THAT'S what's so disturbing here.

I certainly hope I'm wrong.

AND I'M JUST GOING BY WHAT I'M FINDING OUT. And Joe Paternos own words.

Bottom line, the most powerful, influential and capable person in this whole thing was Joe. And he dropped the ball. I hate to use the old clishe' but it fits here. With great power comes great responsibility. If those who are capable and influential won't help, it makes it much harder.

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

5. The GA should have been the one to call the police/intervene and he did neither. He's not completely off the hook here either.

Absolutely agree 100%

He should be ashamed of himself to the uttmost.

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

6. I'm fairly confident that had the incidents that occurred prior to 2002 been brought to Joe's attention, especially when Sandusky was still working for him, JoePa would have had him drawn and quartered himself.

Agreed.

But even though Sandusky didn't work for Joe, Joe had the power ot make sure something was done.