[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

if up to me, Ford doesn't need a 5.8 FI'd GT500 to go head to head with the ZL1. Put the current GT500's 5.4 in a Boss Laguna Seca and it'll be awesome.

As much as I'm not a fan of the ZL1 I think Ford needs more HP to top the MR handling.

[ffrcobra_65]

Who knows, GM might shock us with a <4k ZL1 weight. Man, that would be so awesome!

[BATMAN!]

How are they going to do that if they already annouced it at 4120

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

How are they going to do that if they already annouced it at 4120

IIRC Camaro's have Iron Blocks. Aluminum blocks would save a ton of weight.

They could also get serious and change out parts such as the Driveshaft, put better/light Suspension parts, trim a few options off since it is a Performance Model, etc.

[aldaron327]

Originally Posted by Grabber

IIRC Camaro's have Iron Blocks. Aluminum blocks would save a ton of weight.

They could also get serious and change out parts such as the Driveshaft, put better/light Suspension parts, trim a few options off since it is a Performance Model, etc.

Nope. Camaros have aluminum blocks.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

How are they going to do that if they already annouced it at 4120

so maybe they haven't announced everything. Shoot, I would be all for a lightweight ZL1 like the 1LE 3rd Gen Camaro.

What about a rear seat delete, A/C and radio delete, delete or lightweight stuff etc. etc...bam! one bad A$$ lightweight ZL1.

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

so maybe they haven't announced everything. Shoot, I would be all for a lightweight ZL1 like the 1LE 3rd Gen Camaro.

What about a rear seat delete, A/C and radio delete, delete or lightweight stuff etc. etc...bam! one bad A$$ lightweight ZL1.

That would be cool but we know most of that wont happen.

[shank0668]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

so maybe they haven't announced everything. Shoot, I would be all for a lightweight ZL1 like the 1LE 3rd Gen Camaro.

What about a rear seat delete, A/C and radio delete, delete or lightweight stuff etc. etc...bam! one bad A$$ lightweight ZL1.

Take the seat out, bolt in a aluminum bench. Take the dash off, only have a speedo.

ZL1 is a heavy car, but I'll be interested to see how it fairs in the performance world.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

As much as I'm not a fan of the ZL1 I think Ford needs more HP to top the MR handling.

I think Ford needs an IRS to top the MR handling....................and MR.

[4DoorRocket]

The 2013 GT500 WILL have an IRS. I have also heard about that ring time.

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Devil's advocate here: So what does the Ford GT touch?

Ford GT doesnt count the car was limited production with only a little over 4,000 that were produced and the car hasnt been in production for over 4 years if its no longer in production it doesnt count.

I never heard of the 2013 GT500 getting an IRS thats the first I heard that. That sounds funny since I dont see Ford doing much other than adding power to the 13 GT500 since they are soooo close to the new 6th gen Mustang in 2014 I just dont see the point in putting that much effort in an outgoing generation Mustang. And the 7:35 ring times I will believe it when I see it thats all im going to say. Thats an absolutely ludicrous ring time for a car that has a solid rear axle although I will admit that the Mustangs have a bit of a weight advantage but still their suspension is outdated. That is Corvette territory those kinds of numbers and I just dont see it happening until I see an official ring video from Ford with that number like Chevy put up of the new ZL1 a Ford Fan saying it happend just doesnt hold much clout.

[Blue Maro Demon]

Personally I think this is going to be a hard battle for Ford to fight with the ZL1 having the Magnetic Ride Control and the pro traction management unless they have beefed up the suspension on the GT500 substantially I just dont see it happening. Technology wise the ZL1 gets the nod until we see what new has been added for the 13 GT500 and it will be hard for them to top the magnetic ride suspension its the same suspension that Ferarri uses and its used for a reason. If I was Ford I would be more worried on making sure the design on the new 6th gen Mustang looks good because that is what ultimately sells cars. Design is the one thing that is unique to a brand it is the ultimate product difference factor it doesnt matter how much power the car has if it doesnt have the look to go along with it people wont buy it. The new Camaro got the design right now its Fords turn to see what they can come up with. Lets hope they can pull out something better than the current Mustangs tail lights if not they are in trouble. The new Evos concept looks pretty good though so they are in the right direction it seems.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Ford GT doesnt count the car was limited production with only a little over 4,000 that were produced and the car hasnt been in production for over 4 years if its no longer in production it doesnt count.

I never heard of the 2013 GT500 getting an IRS thats the first I heard that. That sounds funny since I dont see Ford doing much other than adding power to the 13 GT500 since they are soooo close to the new 6th gen Mustang in 2014 I just dont see the point in putting that much effort in an outgoing generation Mustang. And the 7:35 ring times I will believe it when I see it thats all im going to say. Thats an absolutely ludicrous ring time for a car that has a solid rear axle although I will admit that the Mustangs have a bit of a weight advantage but still their suspension is outdated. That is Corvette territory those kinds of numbers and I just dont see it happening until I see an official ring video from Ford with that number like Chevy put up of the new ZL1 a Ford Fan saying it happend just doesnt hold much clout.

Well, for the record, I'm more than just a Ford Fan. Unlike a lot of people, I am a car enthusiast, and if I could own multiple Cars, the Camaro, Vette, and other cars would be in my stable, and not just a Mustang.

Read this.

]This was all I could find for now.

I was there in June during a 10 day industry booking when "Red" was lapping the ring faster than the ZL1's September time. SVT has actually been working on the car since the Z28 hype in October of last year. 7:41 is fast however, it was a rolling start (same as Red but not like the CTS-V) and will never be an official run (same as Red). The suspension that underpins the 2013 GT500 is almost identical to that in which the Boss 302S uses and runs in SCCA and Grand Am and very similar to the Shelby GT350. The car will most likely use Corsa's but is unknown if Ford really wants to go with a 305.. If a 305 is used, I expect the GT500 (or SVT Cobra) to be back over here Sometime in March/April to lay down a REAL Ring time.

Here is what we seen in June, Ford tested this GT500 while Team Corvette ran the record ring run...


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Long time reader and first time poster. I am currently stationed in Kaiserslauthern, Germany and was informed on Tuesday that there was a new GT500 testing at Nurburgring. I went up on Wednesday and Thursday to check it out. There were quite a few club members there and they were clocking both cars throughout the week. You could not get near the vehicles (not that I would try) and no questions were answered. It rained Monday, Tuesday and some on Wednesday and was cool and clear the rest of the week (about 65-72). I could not hear a supercharger or a turbo but I was not very close to the actual track and exhaust was pretty decent (and tire noise). Club members here clocked the red GT500 around a best of 7:30 and the black one around 7:40. There were two passengers most of the time with the occasional driver only run. The cars would do 2-3 laps of 8 minute laps and then move to a 7:XX lap so it seems heat soak was being looked at as well. It was said that Karl Gieger was there personally but I don't know if anybody from the US has heard of him. The traffic was pretty low when I went up on Wednesday and Thursday and I was told that the it was that way pretty much all week. Both cars would do 2-3 laps, sometimes running together, sometimes one at a time and then they would disappear for 30 minutes. There were a series of 10 minute laps (which is slow) and as I said, multiple time keepers clocked the cars mid 7 minutes at their best under very good weather and traffic. This is all I know, I have iPhone video of some turns but it really sucks and the audio was crappy so I didn't keep them, the group I was in picked a location way too far from the track IMO. We were told that there would be photos and video online later this month so I didn't care about the video. I was surprised when I checked the internet late Thursday night and found it posted already.

Anyway, I thought the lap times would be interesting at least, I am trying to circulate this info as much as possible. I was also told that a local guy ran his Boss 302 LS at a 7:45-7:49 which is right on par with the BMW M3 GTS and the Audi R8 V10 but this, along with everything else I was told is all hearsay. I did however, confirm a 7:35 from the red GT500 and a 7:43 from the black car via a club members stop watch so... I can see a 7:30 and a 7:40 from these cars. There was speculation about the Red GT500 being a Nurburgring edition and the other being a future production GT500 SVTPP. There was speculation that maybe one was a manual and one was an auto and that one was a 2012 and the red one was a 2013.... either way, they were both very fast and ran most of the day for most of the week...

Hope this helps...
http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/ind...e/page__st__20 The video was posted a few days later... We did do some separate timing on a very special part of the track and found that "Red" was almost as fast as the ZR1 through that particular section (about 0.7 second behind the ZR1 and 1.4 seconds faster than the ZL1).

I am impressed that Chevrolet beat the C63 Black that was 4123lbs and produced 670hp and 740tq... however, that run was actually an official run from a stop (like the ZR1). If Ford is going into this race with a 7:35 and a 167mph top speed (the only lap I seen and the top speed was not confirmed by us) then it is possible that this snake is prepped and ready to go.... It does weigh 3850lbs, 600-620hp and has a large supercharger on top.... The ZL1 comes in at 7:41 with 170mph top speed for reference. Remember, the 2012 CTS-V had a top speed of 144mph on the straight at VIR, the 2012 GT500 only did 137 (142 on the record run), the GT500 still beat the CTS-V in every section of the track and ultimately won by a second on the same day



"Journalistic stupidity is like blood in the water; it draws sharks who are eager to profit as a result. The next Mako to strike was General Motors, which proceeded to set a couple of “production car” times in caged cars! Here’s a hint, friends: Rollcages make cars faster. Simply replacing the Autopower cage in our ’94 Neon ACR with a stiffer custom cage took 1.5 seconds off our lap time around Mid-O – equivalent to seven seconds on the ‘Ring. Why? The car twisted less and planted its tires better. Caged cars go faster. It’s as simple as that. But GM claimed it was for “safety”, and the Press As A Whole swallowed the explanation without comment. The final blow was the Viper ACR’s outrageous 7:22 laptime, which is, ironically, probably the most “legitimate” time of the bunch despite being the lowest. The problem is that the Viper ACR is only nominally a street car; it’s America’s answer to a street-legal Radical SR8."

[JoshBobGuptaMarley]

No bolt ons for new boss owners.....that says it all.