[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

perfect ! and did you know the volt takes 40k to make and they sell it for 41k... the technology just isnt there yet to make them affordable, we still need gas. and i am tired of being at the mercy of other countries...

Oh yeah. They loose money on every Volt they sell, I think. And will for a year or two. toyota went through the same thing with the prius, though.

In a weird way...high gas prices may actually save the performance car in the long-term.....

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

In a weird way...high gas prices may actually save the performance car in the long-term.....

how so

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by KeepItGreasey

I guess it would take a mind full of common sense to get upset over everything you seem to be ok with.

The demand for gasoline is constant. And if a company chooses to artificially induce a shortage to raise the price, what can we do about it? We aren't talking about "Limited Edition IPHONE's", we're talking about a product that we rely upon for day to day life. A product that has an affect on the price of everything we purchase.

Who buys jewelry? Even if you do, EVERY merchant will negotiate a price with you.

And your beef eating analogy makes no sense at all... unless you're suggesting that the hippies eat all of the cows, and that we stop raising them all together. Because cows feed solely upon "oxygen producing plants"... and they release their by-product into the atmosphere.

Lol wut?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

how so

It's a stretch, I'll admit that up front.

By serving as an incentive to develop alternative fuels like ethanol, high-cost gasoline is actually ensuring there will be an infrastructure affordable fuels for internal combustion engines in the near, mid, and distant future.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

how so

I'm sure he's pointing to the fact that history will repeat itself in regards to performance; remember, gasoline power engines also started with small amounts of horsepower and torque but came to be what you see today, so it remains with a high degree of certainty that alternative fuels will go through the same phase. Of course, this all assuming that entrepreneurs aren't punished to do so as they are now or will probably become so.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I'm sure he's pointing to the fact that history will repeat itself in regards to performance; remember, gasoline power engines also started with small amounts of horsepower and torque but came to be what you see today, so it remains with a high degree of certainty that alternative fuels will go through the same phase. Of course, this all assuming that entrepreneurs aren't punished to do so as they are now or will probably become so.

I wouldn't say they're being punished, in fact the opposite argument could be made in light of certain ethanol-production mandates back in '07...but they're certainly not getting as much help as others, that's for sure.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I wouldn't say they're being punished, in fact the opposite argument could be made in light of certain ethanol-production mandates back in '07...but they're certainly not getting as much help as others, that's for sure.

I was talking about entrepreneurs in general, in which case I'd love to see the idiot make that opposite argument lol.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I was talking about entrepreneurs in general, in which case I'd love to see the idiot make that opposite argument lol.

ah. Yes. There I'd tend to agree....generally.

[Steppenwolf1980]

I totally agree with Dragoneye's opinion. Most people tend to keep their point of view in a two-meter-radius, everything they complain about is what THEY are missing and how much money THEY have to spend on something. That's the same all over the world. Oh damn, now somebody will shout "communism alert!!!", but that's not what it is about. As everywhere in life, the truth is for sure somewhere in the middle between oil companies making money, avoiding future ecological collapses, the car industries's way of technology increasement and so on. But to reduce to the point: I think that what now is processing (the development of hybrids and electric powered vehicles) is the logical result of the increasing gas prices. We are just at the beginning of that road, let's wait what will come up in the next years.

[blk96gt]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

perfect ! and did you know the volt takes 40k to make and they sell it for 41k... the technology just isnt there yet to make them affordable, we still need gas. and i am tired of being at the mercy of other countries...

If the US stopped importing from other countries and only used what we have here, it would last us 3-4 years at our current consumption rate. Even if we only imported half of what we use, that's still less than 10 years. We also get the majority of our oil from Canada, with Venezuela and Saudi Arabia being number 2 and 3. We don't get near as much from the Middle East as people like to think.

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by pyr0b0y

$3.23 here in San Francisco....and that's 87!! 91 is $3.63....overkill!!!

I'd die for prices (undoubtedly for a gallon?) over here...

Diesel (for the Range Sport) tomorrow was at €1.30 (that's over $1.5) for a liter...

Gasoline (allthough we only have 95 and up here), is at €1.50+/litre...

[Boots]

The way I see it is I dont really care how much the gas prices are as long as I have a great time driving the car I own!

[PeeBee]

Originally Posted by Boots

The way I see it is I dont really care how much the gas prices are as long as I have a great time driving the car I own!

Exactly

Same as when people ask 'how much does she/he/it consume", I always say "when the tank's emtpy, I fill it again"...

[2001ragtop]

Originally Posted by Boots

The way I see it is I dont really care how much the gas prices are as long as I have a great time driving the car I own!

I have noticed 99 PERCENT of car owners feel this exact same way.

I never see any indications that people care about gas prices.

ESPECIALLY when someone driving a new 5500 pound Chevy Suburban floors it and drives past me like they are drag racing. (which happens to me daily.)

NOBODY cares. (not where I live)